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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    Yep because the concept of it is rather good, but without proper execution and barriers to the obvious corruption, its a horrid idea. I dont think Sweden has done a good job at all and there is a bit less corruption in the Swedish govt than there is in the US.
    I am amazed just in the 3 years since my last graduated from public high school how corporate its become. Due to budget cuts, they have allowed "sponsors" to pay for spots on their athletic uniforms and on billboards at the stadium. Now they are talking about monies from corporate donors to pay for books (will they advertise in them?) and audio visual aids. Its getting like NASCAR in there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    We literally have 100's here. My husband just landed an account that services several chains for their IT needs and it floored him of how many problem kids are attending these schools. These kids, by his description are a step above animals, they have not been taught respect for anything or anyone...and not all of them have a medical diagnosis. They destroy anything they put their hands on. My husband just installed about 100 Chrome books last month for the students, only 5 of them have not been destroyed. Some were stolen and found in the homes. The computer have tracking GPS chips inside of them and you can find them if stolen. Another reason some parents send them to charter schools is how dangerous the public schools are in their neighborhoods. If a parent has a choice of a volatile Cleveland public school and a charter school with increased security, many will choose that route. I think if we walked away from charter schools completely, there would be A LOT of kids left behind...the problem students will have no place to go and the good students will be subjected to the daily violence of the inner city public schools.
    So far we only have one charter school for troubled students (we are small district) but the ones who advocated for it were the parents of the other kids. They put up such a stink about how they didn't want their kids near these other kids. Bad influences, bullying and such. No more mainstreaming that's for sure. Teachers must be like wardens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I am amazed just in the 3 years since my last graduated from public high school how corporate its become. Due to budget cuts, they have allowed "sponsors" to pay for spots on their athletic uniforms and on billboards at the stadium. Now they are talking about monies from corporate donors to pay for books (will they advertise in them?) and audio visual aids. Its getting like NASCAR in there!
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    McDonald's McTeacher?s Nights: Community Fundraising or Sick Plot to Hook Children on Junk Food? | Alternet

    “As a teacher myself it crossed a lot of ethical boundaries,” Noltner, who doesn’t teach in his daughter’s district, told AlterNet. Teachers are role models for their students, he explained, and McTeacher’s Nights are “another way for McDonald’s to get their foot into schools and attract young consumers.”

    Noltner complained to his daughter’s principal and eventually reached out to Campaign for a Commercial Free Childhood. The mounting pressure on McDonald’s to end McTeacher’s Nights started rolling from there with the National Education Association and dozens of other organizations and nonprofits joining the cause. Last October, the coalition sent an open letter to McDonald's CEO Steve Easterbrook urging him to “end the exploitative practice of McTeacher’s Nights.”

    "It is wrong to enlist teachers to sell kids on a brand like McDonald's, whose core products are burgers, fries and soda,” the letter states. Noltner said his daughter’s school no longer holds the program. “We can raise the same amount of money, if not more, without the help of a huge corporation,” he said.


    Now imagine McDonalds being able to OWN schools..not only can they profit greatly just from that, they can also use it to brand for the larger corp itself...its a dream come true for large corps like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I am amazed just in the 3 years since my last graduated from public high school how corporate its become. Due to budget cuts, they have allowed "sponsors" to pay for spots on their athletic uniforms and on billboards at the stadium. Now they are talking about monies from corporate donors to pay for books (will they advertise in them?) and audio visual aids. Its getting like NASCAR in there!
    Okay let corporations pay for education or tax the working people.. I like the idea of corps paying of their own free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Okay let corporations pay for education or tax the working people.. I like the idea of corps paying of their own free will.
    It is becoming a tough issue. Supposedly over 70% of American school budgets were rejected last year so these districts are stuck. They cant afford to do a lot. People incomes have stagnated somewhat and we don't have a younger group out buying new homes with decent incomes like we saw with the boomers in the 50s, 60s and 70s. So these schools who are reliant on local taxes are finding that residents are struggling to afford property taxes or have medication or fix their car. So they are overwhelmingly turning down budgets. Another issue that is going to need to be addressed and soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Most areas send them off to charters. We have one just for that purpose now. An entire school with "hard to handle" students with special teachers.

    There may well be some charter schools which serve that function, but that was certainly not the intended goal of the charter school movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Okay let corporations pay for education or tax the working people.. I like the idea of corps paying of their own free will.

    That attitude is what makes you a Republican. "I've got mine -- now everyone else can simply go fuck themselves."

    I prefer the public school model. I remember how well it worked prior to the white folks getting pissed off over forced desegregation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    It is becoming a tough issue. Supposedly over 70% of American school budgets were rejected last year so these districts are stuck. They cant afford to do a lot. People incomes have stagnated somewhat and we don't have a younger group out buying new homes with decent incomes like we saw with the boomers in the 50s, 60s and 70s. So these schools who are reliant on local taxes are finding that residents are struggling to afford property taxes or have medication or fix their car. So they are overwhelmingly turning down budgets. Another issue that is going to need to be addressed and soon.



    The "starve the beast" plan is working as designed.

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    Is what your school did in another thread somewhere here? Can you link it to me or tell me the title?
    I could never find it but it's worth repeating.
    I taught in inner-city Brooklyn and the school was failing badly. The chancellor did an experiment and he let Divide. Our three-story building into three separate mini. schools. The kids applied to the school they wanted. One had a business theme to it, one was called the Academy, and ours was the school for social action called EnRich. So now instead of 900 kids in one school we had 300 in each school...and the best part was we had about 20 kids in a class. We knew every single kid and it was like the best private school. What I found the most fun was when we looked at the kids who were applying one teacher might say "he's a Terror" and inevitably one would say, .oh, I love that kid" custodians had to kick the teachers out becuase we stayed so late. The kids soared academically..... We still had one principal for the whole building. It was a huge success what do you think happened? They stopped funding the program
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    @bajisima

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    McDonald's McTeacher?s Nights: Community Fundraising or Sick Plot to Hook Children on Junk Food? | Alternet

    “As a teacher myself it crossed a lot of ethical boundaries,” Noltner, who doesn’t teach in his daughter’s district, told AlterNet. Teachers are role models for their students, he explained, and McTeacher’s Nights are “another way for McDonald’s to get their foot into schools and attract young consumers.”

    Noltner complained to his daughter’s principal and eventually reached out to Campaign for a Commercial Free Childhood. The mounting pressure on McDonald’s to end McTeacher’s Nights started rolling from there with the National Education Association and dozens of other organizations and nonprofits joining the cause. Last October, the coalition sent an open letter to McDonald's CEO Steve Easterbrook urging him to “end the exploitative practice of McTeacher’s Nights.”

    "It is wrong to enlist teachers to sell kids on a brand like McDonald's, whose core products are burgers, fries and soda,” the letter states. Noltner said his daughter’s school no longer holds the program. “We can raise the same amount of money, if not more, without the help of a huge corporation,” he said.


    Now imagine McDonalds being able to OWN schools..not only can they profit greatly just from that, they can also use it to brand for the larger corp itself...its a dream come true for large corps like this.
    Kids are hooked on McDonalds way before school begins....lazy parents who do not or know how to cook. It is easier to swing through drive through than spend a 1/2 hour making dinner. Why point a finger at a large corporation, when they are not the ones who actually approve of what kids will eat or physically feed them. You tend to blame anyone or anything other than the ones who are in truly charge of their kids and what they eat. I have always thought a parent should be charged with neglect if they allow their children to become obese. It is a early death sentence.

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