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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Well I am a teacher...and I just hate the lazy ones, the ones who do not care and the ones who are just there for personal gain...probably the ones that you love and support.

    Are you a real, certified teacher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Are you a real, certified teacher?
    Yes...I hold a vocational license from the Department of Education and have worked in a high school for a little over 10 years.
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    Non-starter for me, in fact, I have a few criticisms myself:

    First of all, using what works to educate kids is the goal; not the inhibitor, the adults do not matter in this case; after all the motivation is well educated young people able to compete in a global market; we are not prepared to do that, OF course, there are always exceptions, those kids who push their own foundation of knowledge farther than a teacher does. Our culture has degraded to the effect that study, and understanding, have been replaced by sound bite and emotion; you cannot emotionally argue this position. As in anything, using the empirical to determine what yields the best results should always be the goal. Whether YOU invented it or not (which is the argument and observation I have when it comes to those who are higher administrative positions in the education system) in other words folks, it ain't the teachers, it's the suits.

    The last fifty years have shown an increased involvement of parents into the educational process; I find this ridiculous, while teachers must be certified, all the civilians have to do is campaign effectively to get a school board, and VIOLA!!! suddenly they are an expert.

    Example:

    Jodi Rell was a much lauded school board member prior to be the Lt. Governor under Rowland; the area where she SHOULD have had skill sets would be in finance, she had NONE, not a drop of fiscal responsibility. In fact, she appointed a former real estate lawyer (a bad one) who became a state senator on the promise to "abolish the state income tax" he never did, as her Budget Director; she and he left the state in shambles; Malloy had to clean up their mess and politically it makes him a clear target.

    Rell, who was considered "a nice person" was incompetent; I find the whole idea of having parents on BOE's distasteful: when you raise your own kids "BADLY" you should not be given license to influence the educational process, I call that fascist, it's an indoctrination of the worst kind.

    Here's my thoughts, let the student body "vet" those who wish to run for BOE; if they don't past the test of those who are at risk for bad decisions, they stay home and help their kids with homework (AS if they could,,, half of them can't add on their own, nor do they understand proper English, and I am NOT speaking of immigrants, they are wise enough to know they require help in teaching their kids the American language, sorry folks it ain't English, never was), let them stay home and over-seer the learning of their own children, I truly believe that some people THINK the whole educational process is the sole domain of teachers; it's not, it is the domain of parents, story tellers, historians, scientists, even sports figures.


    I don't think our process that allows so much influence by those who are not broad minded enough to see the whole picture is good for education. I want the parents out of the educational process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Yes...I hold a vocational license from the Department of Education and have worked in a high school for a little over 10 years.

    What does that mean, a "vocational license"? Do you hold a degree in education? Are you certified to teach academic courses, or are you merely a vocational instructor? If you are a professional educator, then you certainly display a great deal of disdain for your chosen profession.

    Also, I'd like to know if you believe that your particular high school is representative of the entire public education system in the United States? I don't "love and support" lazy people, whether or not they are teachers. You, on the other hand, appear to hate and distrust all professional educators. Are you the only good teacher in the bunch, in your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    What does that mean, a "vocational license"? Do you hold a degree in education? Are you certified to teach academic courses, or are you merely a vocational instructor? If you are a professional educator, then you certainly display a great deal of disdain for your chosen profession.

    Also, I'd like to know if you believe that your particular high school is representative of the entire public education system in the United States? I don't "love and support" lazy people, whether or not they are teachers. You, on the other hand, appear to hate and distrust all professional educators. Are you the only good teacher in the bunch, in your opinion?
    You know, you seem angry today, and on the verge of becoming insulting. I will take a pass from PH today...the discussion is about charter schools not my credentials and I just stated an opinion. I am not in the mood for you to set me up to insult and this is where you are headed. We have differing opinions and you disagree...so now you resort to insults and trolling. If you want to discuss Charter schools, there are several in the thread who share your opinion, talk to them. My credentials or degrees are not part of the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    You know, you seem angry today, and on the verge of becoming insulting. I will take a pass from PH today...the discussion is about charter schools not my credentials and I just stated an opinion. I am not in the mood for you to set me up to insult and this is where you are headed. We have differing opinions and you disagree...so now you resort to insults and trolling. If you want to discuss Charter schools, there are several in the thread who share your opinion, talk to them. My credentials or degrees are not part of the topic.

    That's what I thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    "Hillary Clinton on Tuesday said traditional public schools and charter schools should share ideas — a remark met with boos by delegates from the National Education Association’s representative assembly. To the thousands of teachers gathered at the labor union’s annual conference, Clinton said “when schools get it right, whether they are traditional public schools or public charter schools, let’s figure out what’s working ... and share it with schools across America.”

    "The Clintons are longtime charter school supporters, but charters are opposed by many teachers union members. Clinton was endorsed in October by the NEA — at a critical time in the Democratic primary. But Clinton’s support for charters has created some unease among rank-and-file union members, some of whom view charter schools as a threat to the survival of traditional schools."

    Many Republican politicians wholeheartedly support charter schools. But even as President Barack Obama’s administration has backed them, Democrats are more divided as to whether charters are good for public education.


    Sounds a bit petty that the teachers union would boo this comment. Didn't see a whole lot to be appalled at frankly. Charter school issue is supposedly going to be one of the top 5 issues this fall for the general.

    Clinton's charter school comments prompt boos at teachers union event - POLITICO
    The problem is that the concept is fine, its the execution... and the fact that its just so RIPE for abuse and corruption that kills the execution.

    Privatizing public institutions is a bad idea. Improving public institutions is a great idea, but not by introducing the propaganda ideal of profit.... "someone can profit lots and that will make it all better".
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    Sure makes it seem like it's not really about the education or the students. It's about job security and money/power.
    I mean a teacher booing at the thought of sharing information that works and helps to educate?
    What kind of country are we living in? Bizzaro land!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Are you a real, certified teacher?
    Do you have to be 'certified' to be a 'real' teacher?

    You know, Albert Einstein used to tutor neighborhood kids in algebra. He warn't never no certified teacher!! They probly shouda ARRESTED him, or sumthin'!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Education not specifically charter schools.
    Education absolutely SHOULD be one of the top issues in the general election, but I shall be VERY surprised if it is.

    When you poll Americans as to what the top problems in the country are, education usually comes in around 9th or 10th. That's because Americans have been very successfully dumbed down. We seem to no longer be capable of sensing just how dumb we have become, or EVEN WHY IT MATTERS.
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