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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    This is SIMPLY NOT TRUE. I currently teach at a charter school in Colorado. I am NOT licensed by the state. I do NOT have any 'certification' to be a teacher. I do NOT have an Education degree. What I DO have are graduate degrees in Economics and Mathematics, and an undergraduate degree in Anthropology, with a GPA VERY close to 4.0. I was a Professor of Economics at three different universities for a period of more than a dozen years, earning the highest levels of acclaim from my students, from my peers, and from my superiors. What did all of that 'get' me towards teacher 'certification'? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Nothing whatsoever. The state actually told me that if I wanted to be 'certified', I would HAVE to go back to school and get an Education degree. I was not ABOUT to waste two or more years of my life taking a bunch of Mickey Mouse Education courses. [I've seen the textbooks.]

    Now, a few years ago, the school asked me to teach a Geometry class to a very small class of precocious 6th-graders. Because they were elementary students, I DID have to go take a test the state gives, to see if people are 'qualified' to teach elementary students. I scored 99.8% on that test, which meant that I missed one question, apparently, and they would (of course) not tell me which question I missed; I was also told that my score was the highest score recorded, and they even sent me a silly little certificate to commemorate my 'achievement'. I am rather more proud of the signed certificate I have from Buzz Aldrin, in recognition of my contributions to STEM education in America.

    Many people seem to be blissfully unaware that if Albert Einstein were alive today, he would NOT be ALLOWED to teach either math OR physics in the vast majority of American high schools. Why? Because Albert was not a 'certified' teacher. Albert did not have an Education degree.

    Here's the POINT: our 'certification' procedures for 'licensing' teachers are utterly broken, utterly stupid, and should be JUNKED forthwith. Start all over, from scratch.
    I think every State is different. This is what I had to do. I was hired in to teach in the Health Academy of a public vocational school. I met the requirements of the program and was granted a provisional license to teach this program in HS until I reached 24 credit hours in education. We are granted a full license once the credit hours were obtained. Then we have 10 years to complete a bachelor in Education K-12. I entered my job with a BBA, BSN, MSN and MHA.

    In college it is different...credentials are what is required in my field and the nursing board requires a Masters to teach in Nursing programs. This is my preference, give me college any day over HS. I have about 30 credit hours to go for my Bachelor in Education. I regret even wasting the time on it...I could have had my PhD for the time and resources invested in another Bachelor. You need a teaching license in OH to teach for Charter schools

    Charter School | School Choice Ohio

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    You are one of the coveted Math teachers who are desperately needed everywhere...I have seen a lot of exceptions made for math teachers because true degrees in math are scarce in the US. A lot of the ones I teach with in college who teach math either have a advanced degree in economics, engineering or math.
    Thanks from BigLeRoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Substitute the word 'contemptuous' for 'jealous', and you would be much closer to how I feel. How I feel is this: I think Education degrees are almost worthless.
    They are also the most howling, boring, droning dirge classes I have ever taken in my life. LOL I think you are correct....teachers should be hired on industry credentials and college major...if you are teaching Sociology, then hire a Social Worker to teach...for example. You can always fill in the teaching methodology gaps with in-services.
    Thanks from ARMCX1 and BigLeRoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    They are also the most howling, boring, droning dirge classes I have ever taken in my life. LOL I think you are correct....teachers should be hired on industry credentials and college major...if you are teaching Sociology, then hire a Social Worker to teach...for example. You can always fill in the teaching methodology gaps with in-services.
    Teaching to an entire classroom full of students is harder than one on one. I taught kids that if put together, chaos ensued automatically. It worked best going one on one to fit the lessons to where the individual students were at academically.

    Almost always, the reason for the academic problems was a dysfunctional home life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARMCX1 View Post
    Teaching to an entire classroom full of students is harder than one on one. I taught kids that if put together, chaos ensued automatically. It worked best going one on one to fit the lessons to where the individual students were at academically.

    Almost always, the reason for the academic problems was a dysfunctional home life.
    I agree...I teach a lot of online classes on a regular basis for about 5 different colleges...and I have open office hours if they need help. All it takes is about 15 minutes of focusing on one student while tutoring over the phone to see great results. You are correct, dysfunctional home life is a problem across the spectrum...it doesn't matter what the socioeconomic factors, race, or culture. It is upsetting to all students. Sometimes, their classroom is the only positive environment they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Whomever made that prediction is a dumbass. Charter schools are an experiment that has met with a mixture of successes and failures, but it isn't a major issue in the presidential election -- not even among public school teachers.
    True most school policy is enacted at the State and Local level not federally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I think every State is different. This is what I had to do. I was hired in to teach in the Health Academy of a public vocational school. I met the requirements of the program and was granted a provisional license to teach this program in HS until I reached 24 credit hours in education. We are granted a full license once the credit hours were obtained. Then we have 10 years to complete a bachelor in Education K-12. I entered my job with a BBA, BSN, MSN and MHA.

    In college it is different...credentials are what is required in my field and the nursing board requires a Masters to teach in Nursing programs. This is my preference, give me college any day over HS. I have about 30 credit hours to go for my Bachelor in Education. I regret even wasting the time on it...I could have had my PhD for the time and resources invested in another Bachelor. You need a teaching license in OH to teach for Charter schools

    Charter School | School Choice Ohio

    Charter School Teaching Requirements

    You are one of the coveted Math teachers who are desperately needed everywhere...I have seen a lot of exceptions made for math teachers because true degrees in math are scarce in the US. A lot of the ones I teach with in college who teach math either have a advanced degree in economics, engineering or math.
    Yes, the rules vary TREMENDOUSLY from state to state.

    As for me, I would have ZERO interest in going back to school and taking Education courses. On the other hand, I would LOVE to go back to school! I would go back to take Ph.D. level courses in Finance. And graduate level courses in Quantum Mechanics and Semiconductor Physics. And courses in Mineralogy, Oceanography, and Botany, courses I ALWAYS wanted to take but just never got around to taking.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Yes, the rules vary TREMENDOUSLY from state to state.

    As for me, I would have ZERO interest in going back to school and taking Education courses. On the other hand, I would LOVE to go back to school! I would go back to take Ph.D. level courses in Finance. And graduate level courses in Quantum Mechanics and Semiconductor Physics. And courses in Mineralogy, Oceanography, and Botany, courses I ALWAYS wanted to take but just never got around to taking.......
    And I might do JUST THAT when I fully retire in a few years.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    And I might do JUST THAT when I fully retire in a few years.....
    Not me, when or if I retire, I am going to a Golf Pro academy and join the Ladies Senior Tour!! That is my dream come true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Not me, when or if I retire, I am going to a Golf Pro academy and join the Ladies Senior Tour!! That is my dream come true.
    What's your handicap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    I cant imagine many school teachers voting for Trump....
    If they were smart they would not vote for Clinton either.

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