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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Labor unions exist to protect worker's rights, but they have no obligation to support a worker who is not doing their job. One of the benefits of Union labor is the provision of a superior work force. Without that bargaining chip, employers would have no reason to prefer a unionized work force, and many do prefer Union labor.
    In a perfect world, you are correct. But you have a lot of politics in education, the good ole girls/boys club and unprofessionalism rampant in your Union leaders. We have the old biddies club...LOL..if they like you, they will rally around you, if not, you are toast. I am lucky in a sense, Administration loves me, and will bend over backwards to assist my needs, but I work hard, volunteer for all after school activities and over night trips, brought in every clinical site they have for my program, and work on the curriculum committee, all done after 3 pm, when the die hard Union members leave for the day. Unions are notorious for protecting the lame...I saw it the worst when I was engaged to a autoworker in Michigan back in the day. He was a rip roaring drunk, drank everyday at work, slept between cars, and nothing was ever done to him...except a stint in rehab once when he hurt himself on the line. He was also the plant bookie, LOL where everyone turned a blind eye. No where else, except a union shop would this be allowed to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    In a perfect world, you are correct. But you have a lot of politics in education, the good ole girls/boys club and unprofessionalism rampant in your Union leaders. We have the old biddies club...LOL..if they like you, they will rally around you, if not, you are toast. I am lucky in a sense, Administration loves me, and will bend over backwards to assist my needs, but I work hard, volunteer for all after school activities and over night trips, brought in every clinical site they have for my program, and work on the curriculum committee, all done after 3 pm, when the die hard Union members leave for the day. Unions are notorious for protecting the lame...I saw it the worst when I was engaged to a autoworker in Michigan back in the day. He was a rip roaring drunk, drank everyday at work, slept between cars, and nothing was ever done to him...except a stint in rehab once when he hurt himself on the line. He was also the plant bookie, LOL where everyone turned a blind eye. No where else, except a union shop would this be allowed to happen.

    Nonsense. There is politics and corruption in every organization. I'd never argue that labor unions are an exception to that rule, but I would argue that they're no worse than is any other organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Nonsense. There is politics and corruption in every organization. I'd never argue that labor unions are an exception to that rule, but I would argue that they're no worse than is any other organization.
    I disagree...I have worked in both environments. Non-Union work places are much more harmonious than the constant drama and outrage in a Union environment. If you do your job, do it well, and make yourself valuable to the organization, you should not have any problems. Plus we now have federal laws that protect all workers. Unions served a purpose, did great things, but now are not needed, unless you suck as a worker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I disagree...I have worked in both environments.

    So have I. Both as an employee and as an employer. You've bought into the GOP's massive, decades long anti-union propaganda, and I understand that nothing will ever change your mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    So have I. Both as an employee and as an employer. You've bought into the GOP's massive, decades long anti-union propaganda, and I understand that nothing will ever change your mind.
    You are correct, I will not change my mind, but the GOP had nothing to do with it...experience formed my opinion. Pride has a little to do with it as well. I don't need protections, I perform and stand on my own merit...and it has worked my entire career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    You are correct, I will not change my mind, but the GOP had nothing to do with it...experience formed my opinion. Pride has a little to do with it as well. I don't need protections, I perform and stand on my own merit...and it has worked my entire career.

    It's worked for me too, but I still don't harbor irrational hatred of labor unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    But that is exactly what Kasich has done in Ohio. Funneled Public Funds into Charter Schools where they have a scandal a week, confiscating money and raking off with it.
    In the last Legislative session Kasich cut public funding so deep his Republican Legislature put it back in.
    The Charter School scandals have become so bad the Legislature passed a Law for much tighter over sight to stop the stealing.
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    Some academic histories present lesson with consideration for benefits and disadvantages of private versus state funding for elementary and secondary academic systems , as chartered schools versus public schools .

    In some states , public education is excised from property tax as a direct tax ; thus , public funding remains funded privately and finance contributions to local education systems often reflect a net worth of community .

    The notion of vouchers is as a remittance of private funds ; privately funded education systems require its attendees to fund academics after taxes .

    At issue to the discussion of privately versus publicly funded school education was the political persuasion over material contents .

    The mcfuggey readers presented in these contexts .

    Common Core vs. McGuffey Readers | Better Ed
    Granted, there are likely pros and cons to each of these lessons. But here are a few quick observations about what each one teaches:
    Common Core Lesson

    Uses simple sentences and is inconsistent with comma usage.
    Teaches a lesson by listing a variety of facts in a dry manner.
    Applies a lesson which encourages success if one got lost in a rainforest.


    McGuffey Reader Lesson

    Uses complicated sentence structure, liberally including semi-colons and dialogue.
    Teaches a character trait through a memorable story format.
    Applies a lesson which encourages success in all areas of life.
    What do you think? Which lesson seems to be more challenging? Which lesson is more effective in encouraging long-term learning? Have today's lessons been dumbed down?

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    Private banks don't want to provide student loans if they can't screw the students. Privatization of public functions always entails screwing the public.
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    Private banking wants returns on funds available through capital investments , which is the nature of expenses and profits in a supply and demand business model .

    A principle of US history has been that it invests between 10% and 15% of its national budget into research and development programs for scientific advancement ( source from recollection ) .

    Why would it be unusual to design a marketing product as a trust fund with a 2% fixed rate of return on the investment for loans to those pursuing advanced education ?

    It seems some of that could be deducted by the investors as a charitable contribution .

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    "Taxing Income Versus Taxing Wealth - Economic Theft and Political Failure"

    Thus, a motivation of this thread is to provide an opportunity for opinions on the feasibility of government to establish conditions where direct investment of idle wealth can be compelled to grow the economy, rather than government (itself) assuming debt policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    * Rewarding Creative Ulterior Motives *

    Private banking wants returns on funds available through capital investments , which is the nature of expenses and profits in a supply and demand business model .

    A principle of US history has been that it invests between 10% and 15% of its national budget into research and development programs for scientific advancement ( source from recollection ) .

    Why would it be unusual to design a marketing product as a trust fund with a 2% fixed rate of return on the investment for loans to those pursuing advanced education ?

    It seems some of that could be deducted by the investors as a charitable contribution .



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    Where is a banter for Public Private Trust ?


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    Poll - To Which Extent Do You Support Individualism or Statism?

    Interpretation of Correlation BetweenTaxation and Income in a Hexagram Model
    Your rhetoric and syntax seems to be changing.

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    Shouldn't you be out diddling a stupid somewhere else? I'm sure you have a vaginal probe nearby.
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    Is anything intelligent being proposed along with those diminutive comments ?

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    Your rhetoric and syntax seems to be changing.
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    Really ? Because $120,000 income cutoff to receive free federally socialized college education continues to be one of the most stupid political concepts and flatulent promises to constituent fools around .

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    On television , bernie sanders was proclaiming a plan for free college tuition for families earning less than $120,000 and i called senatorial office , which stated that his plan was for free college tuition for all , whereas it is the proposal of hillary to only cover those earning $120,000 or less .
    The hilllary clinton campaign was then called and the stupidity of such a proposal was related .
    Alternatively , a suggestion was related that accruing 8% interest on college loans is usury of financial thieves and that to support higher education her platform would be better off endorsing an accrual cap of 2% interest .
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