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    Clinton Education Plan.

    She laid her plan out for Education in front of those who matter.

    Hillary Clinton's Brilliant Education Plan Will Work And End Education Wars
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    Good article and a positive approach, thanks MA.

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    I doubt many will see it in Education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    She laid her plan out for Education in front of those who matter.

    Hillary Clinton's Brilliant Education Plan Will Work And End Education Wars
    That article was light on specifics but I saw three main points;

    Obama screwed up with his corporatist approach: (in arkansas it was the clintons who created the state mandated tests)

    .......Now it’s true that President Obama sought advice and counsel from so-called “education experts,” but they were billionaire experts in the school privatization sector and not the people, predominately women, toiling in the trenches to educate the next generation of Americans. For all the great achievements President Obama has accomplished, his one weak point was allowing corporate billionaires to influence education policy and his outgoing Education Secretary said as much with a very tepid mea culpa on the crusade to test America’s student population into idiocy.....

    Spend money; (I'm assuming taxpayers)

    ........Former Secretary Clinton told the mass of public school teachers that she would, besides end the education wars “expand access to child care and Pre-K, pay teachers more, forgive their college debt, construct new school buildings, and bring computer science courses into K-12 education.”.......

    It won't work unless clinton decides to "school" the parents; (This part is really the only honest part of the entire article and the very reason why all the federal money in the universe won't raise test scores or increase the educational standards of anyone. In a multicultural society you simply cannot do this.)

    ......Clinton’s plan, although well thought-out, is missing one aspect: training prospective and current parents of young children to instill a lifelong value of education. According to just one of several studies, “Parents convey attitudes about education to their children during out-of-school hours and these attitudes are reflected in the child’s classroom behavior,” and “positive attitudes towards education and school were associated with the child’s increased academic performance.” That “positive attitude towards education and school” is where parents should be focusing their attention instead of inserting themselves in the classroom. In fact, according to yet another study, “an increase in the parent’s school activities, such as increased number of parent-teacher contacts, was associated with worsening achievement.” Where parent involvement does help student achievement, and a point that few politicians have ever learned from talking to teachers, is “the positive attitudes parents have towards their child’s education, school, and teacher.”.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Good article and a positive approach, thanks MA.
    It boils down to spending money but it's doomed because of something that cannot be addressed in a multicultural society.....not all cultures/subcultures value education as a way to succeed. I won't bring up the effects on learning of children of drug and alcohol abuse, broken families, blended families, or even single parent families.

    ........Clinton’s plan, although well thought-out, is missing one aspect: training prospective and current parents of young children to instill a lifelong value of education. According to just one of several studies, “Parents convey attitudes about education to their children during out-of-school hours and these attitudes are reflected in the child’s classroom behavior,” and “positive attitudes towards education and school were associated with the child’s increased academic performance.” That “positive attitude towards education and school” is where parents should be focusing their attention instead of inserting themselves in the classroom. In fact, according to yet another study, “an increase in the parent’s school activities, such as increased number of parent-teacher contacts, was associated with worsening achievement.” Where parent involvement does help student achievement, and a point that few politicians have ever learned from talking to teachers, is “the positive attitudes parents have towards their child’s education, school, and teacher.”....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    That article was light on specifics but I saw three main points;

    Obama screwed up with his corporatist approach: (in arkansas it was the clintons who created the state mandated tests)

    .......Now it’s true that President Obama sought advice and counsel from so-called “education experts,” but they were billionaire experts in the school privatization sector and not the people, predominately women, toiling in the trenches to educate the next generation of Americans. For all the great achievements President Obama has accomplished, his one weak point was allowing corporate billionaires to influence education policy and his outgoing Education Secretary said as much with a very tepid mea culpa on the crusade to test America’s student population into idiocy.....

    Spend money; (I'm assuming taxpayers)

    ........Former Secretary Clinton told the mass of public school teachers that she would, besides end the education wars “expand access to child care and Pre-K, pay teachers more, forgive their college debt, construct new school buildings, and bring computer science courses into K-12 education.”.......

    It won't work unless clinton decides to "school" the parents; (This part is really the only honest part of the entire article and the very reason why all the federal money in the universe won't raise test scores or increase the educational standards of anyone. In a multicultural society you simply cannot do this.)

    ......Clinton’s plan, although well thought-out, is missing one aspect: training prospective and current parents of young children to instill a lifelong value of education. According to just one of several studies, “Parents convey attitudes about education to their children during out-of-school hours and these attitudes are reflected in the child’s classroom behavior,” and “positive attitudes towards education and school were associated with the child’s increased academic performance.” That “positive attitude towards education and school” is where parents should be focusing their attention instead of inserting themselves in the classroom. In fact, according to yet another study, “an increase in the parent’s school activities, such as increased number of parent-teacher contacts, was associated with worsening achievement.” Where parent involvement does help student achievement, and a point that few politicians have ever learned from talking to teachers, is “the positive attitudes parents have towards their child’s education, school, and teacher.”.....
    The main problem, Dutch is that Republican Governors are cutting Education funding so bad the Districts have to resort to School levies. Yet folks see their House taxes go up and up while Pensions and wages do not budge.

    That means Teachers are paid less and less. The very ones who teach our children.

    Kasich cut taxes for the wealthy,increased the Sales Tax. Stupidity of the worst kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    The main proble, Dutch is that Republican Governors are cutting Education funding so bad the Districts have to resort to School levies. Yet folks see their House taxes go up and up while Pensions and wages do not budge.

    That means Teachers are paid less and less. The ver ones who teach out children.

    Kasich cut taxes for the wealthy,increased the Sales Tax. Stupidity of the worst kind.
    Kansas did the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Kansas did the same.
    Much worse,and Kansans are really paying the price for Brownback. Republicans went along.

    In Ohio the Republican Legislature went against Kasich and replaced the last millions he tried to cut. All this to build a Rainy Day fund. Republicans have begged him to use some of it. Kasich refused.

    He wanted that to brag about in his run for President.
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    So, basically, her "plan" is to:

    --Ignore any recommendations from home-schoolers, or private schools.

    --Throw more taxpayer money at public education (which has been done many times before)

    --Blame others for the failure of the Public School system, after throwing money at it.


    So.

    What is "new" about this plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    So, basically, her "plan" is to:

    --Ignore any recommendations from home-schoolers, or private schools.

    --Throw more taxpayer money at public education (which has been done many times before)

    --Blame others for the failure of the Public School system, after throwing money at it.


    So.

    What is "new" about this plan?
    The call for privatization is overwhelmingly disapproved of by Americans:

    Overwhelming Majority of Voters Want To Rein In Charter Schools

    Iowa testing is used to determine if a school is failing or it's succeeding and what can be gained from the learning curriculum

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_T...f_Basic_Skills

    Private schools do not have to publish their test scores:

    Apples and oranges: comparing private and public school test scores | GreatKids

    Therefore, people looking to move into good school districts are at a loss to determine if their children or future children will be attending a school with a less than failing grade.

    Moreover, real estate values near high performing schools tend to be higher.

    The real (estate) value of public schools | GreatKids

    So to eliminate the chicken and the egg scenario based on income, leveling the playing field for public education benefits all.

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