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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Looks to me like we have more unskilled laborers these days than we have unskilled labor jobs capable of providing for basic living expenses.

    The military isn't a bad idea, if you don't mind paying them with taxpayer funds. I just don't see how the military provides much return in the way of GDP.
    It adds skilled labor and buys stuff... that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Oh no Chief...we must get them through HS....or we will have a dumbed down society and a bunch of quitters. Everyone is able to complete HS....we offer lots of options for that.
    Which high school? The one from 50+ years ago where the bar was held high, or the one today where no child gets left behind no matter how easy we have to make it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Which high school? The one from 50+ years ago where the bar was held high, or the one today where no child gets left behind no matter how easy we have to make it?
    I don't think the high school bar was ever really set that high. You might be longing for a time that never was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    It adds skilled labor and buys stuff... that's about it.

    The military is nothing more than a welfare program when the nation isn't at war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    This is an interesting debate and one gaining popularity in an age of declining enrollment and rejected school budgets..

    Boston Superintendent Tommy Chang, grappling with a sharp enrollment decline in the middle grades, is floating the idea of creating a system of elementary schools that end at grade 6 and high schools that start at grade 7, a move that could radically alter the fabric of most schools across the city. Chang said the new configurations could boost the quality of education for seventh- and eighth-graders by concentrating support services in fewer schools.

    The idea being considered would try to streamline a school system with more than 20 grade configurations into a system of schools that is predominantly K-6 and 7-12. In many instances, K-8 schools would become K-6s, while elementary schools, which now end in fifth grade, would add a sixth grade. High schools, meanwhile would add seventh and eighth graders to their mix.

    In just the last 10 years, charter schools have added nearly 2,000 seats in grades 6, 7, and 8, according to a Globe analysis of state enrollment figures. During that same time, middle-grade enrollment in the city’s school system has dropped by about the same number. Now, students in the city school system are spread so thin that many middle schools have a fraction of the students they once educated, and many K-8s, even popular ones like the Hurley and Mission Hill, are struggling to fill their seats, raising concerns about possible school closings.

    Can see both pros and cons in this scenario. Not sure a lot of parents of 7th graders would want them in the same environment as 12th graders but on the other hand more potential options as far as AP classes and more choices could be a positive.

    Boston superintendent ponders making high schools grades 7 to 12 - The Boston Globe
    Its funny, I hated school and actually dropped out, eventually getting my GED and going on to college. In my opinion, we should focus less on "school" and more on secondary education.

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    For Kindergarten through Second Grade, I went to St Bernard's / St Mary's in Akron, Ohio. The funny thing was we were the first co-ed year. They had a different idea of co-ed than most places. The only time we saw the girls was through a fence at recess and when they were walking in single file, silent line in the hallway to lunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Which high school? The one from 50+ years ago where the bar was held high, or the one today where no child gets left behind no matter how easy we have to make it?
    High School is not that easy...look at a GED test and try to pass it now. Back then, we did not have tiers to success..you either pass the class or fail. Today, we have remedial classes. No Child Left Behind did water down the rigor for some students because we hand out IEP's generously. Regardless...we must have high school graduates or we will become a very under educated Country similar to a third world Country. HS to me, is preparatory, whether it is for college or job skills. We also have a different style of parenting when it comes to school....parents will except a C with no conseqences compared to losing your car/freedom until you get your grades up. It takes a village to mentor our youth...schools and teachers can't do it all. I almost failed 3rd grade because of math, my IEP was my Dad...he told me, if you want to see the light of day this summer, you better pass 3rd grade. Today, they get a IEP for math or a pass...and they are advanced to the next grade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The military is nothing more than a welfare program when the nation isn't at war.
    To a limited extent, this is true ... but the logic is flawed. By the same argument, a fire department is a welfare program when buildings are not on fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    This is an interesting debate and one gaining popularity in an age of declining enrollment and rejected school budgets..

    Boston Superintendent Tommy Chang, grappling with a sharp enrollment decline in the middle grades, is floating the idea of creating a system of elementary schools that end at grade 6 and high schools that start at grade 7, a move that could radically alter the fabric of most schools across the city. Chang said the new configurations could boost the quality of education for seventh- and eighth-graders by concentrating support services in fewer schools.

    The idea being considered would try to streamline a school system with more than 20 grade configurations into a system of schools that is predominantly K-6 and 7-12. In many instances, K-8 schools would become K-6s, while elementary schools, which now end in fifth grade, would add a sixth grade. High schools, meanwhile would add seventh and eighth graders to their mix.

    In just the last 10 years, charter schools have added nearly 2,000 seats in grades 6, 7, and 8, according to a Globe analysis of state enrollment figures. During that same time, middle-grade enrollment in the city’s school system has dropped by about the same number. Now, students in the city school system are spread so thin that many middle schools have a fraction of the students they once educated, and many K-8s, even popular ones like the Hurley and Mission Hill, are struggling to fill their seats, raising concerns about possible school closings.

    Can see both pros and cons in this scenario. Not sure a lot of parents of 7th graders would want them in the same environment as 12th graders but on the other hand more potential options as far as AP classes and more choices could be a positive.

    Boston superintendent ponders making high schools grades 7 to 12 - The Boston Globe
    NO, we should go back to 1 room school houses.. makes as much sense.


    12 year old are not as Mature as 18 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    To a limited extent, this is true ... but the logic is flawed. By the same argument, a fire department is a welfare program when buildings are not on fire.

    Yes, that's correct. What is the flaw in the logic?

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