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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    NO, we should go back to 1 room school houses.. makes as much sense.


    12 year old are not as Mature as 18 year olds.

    Who has suggested that 12 year olds and 18 year olds attend the same classes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes, that's correct. What is the flaw in the logic?
    Because you're confusing "welfare" with "insurance." Now you can argue that the military costs constitute is "over-insurance." But some measure of insurance is not only reasonable; it's responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Because you're confusing "welfare" with "insurance." Now you can argue that the military costs constitute is "over-insurance." But some measure of insurance is not only reasonable; it's responsible.

    Of course, my point being that taking a "job" in the military entails taxpayer funds being used to provide paychecks to people who add nothing whatsoever to our gross domestic product. Having a standing army as an insurance policy against alien invasion is certainly a worthwhile endeavor, although one could make a valid argument that we have over-invested in said insurance policy. What one cannot argue is that becoming a soldier is equivalent to taking a production job in the private sector economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Of course, my point being that taking a "job" in the military entails taxpayer funds being used to provide paychecks to people who add nothing whatsoever to our gross domestic product. Having a standing army as an insurance policy against alien invasion is certainly a worthwhile endeavor, although one could make a valid argument that we have over-invested in said insurance policy. What one cannot argue is that becoming a soldier is equivalent to taking a production job in the private sector economy.
    The lines are not completely clear though, because when you make a soldier, that soldier needs to be fed, equipped, moved here and there... etc. So, in addition to the insurance, there are government purchases of goods and services related to the soldier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    This is an interesting debate and one gaining popularity in an age of declining enrollment and rejected school budgets..

    Boston Superintendent Tommy Chang, grappling with a sharp enrollment decline in the middle grades, is floating the idea of creating a system of elementary schools that end at grade 6 and high schools that start at grade 7, a move that could radically alter the fabric of most schools across the city. Chang said the new configurations could boost the quality of education for seventh- and eighth-graders by concentrating support services in fewer schools.

    The idea being considered would try to streamline a school system with more than 20 grade configurations into a system of schools that is predominantly K-6 and 7-12. In many instances, K-8 schools would become K-6s, while elementary schools, which now end in fifth grade, would add a sixth grade. High schools, meanwhile would add seventh and eighth graders to their mix.

    In just the last 10 years, charter schools have added nearly 2,000 seats in grades 6, 7, and 8, according to a Globe analysis of state enrollment figures. During that same time, middle-grade enrollment in the city’s school system has dropped by about the same number. Now, students in the city school system are spread so thin that many middle schools have a fraction of the students they once educated, and many K-8s, even popular ones like the Hurley and Mission Hill, are struggling to fill their seats, raising concerns about possible school closings.

    Can see both pros and cons in this scenario. Not sure a lot of parents of 7th graders would want them in the same environment as 12th graders but on the other hand more potential options as far as AP classes and more choices could be a positive.

    Boston superintendent ponders making high schools grades 7 to 12 - The Boston Globe
    Not sure what's wrong with the middle school concept (K-5 6-8 9-12). I also don't think rearranging the deck chairs isn't actually going to change anything. I don't see an argument as to why it would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    The lines are not completely clear though, because when you make a soldier, that soldier needs to be fed, equipped, moved here and there... etc. So, in addition to the insurance, there are government purchases of goods and services related to the soldier.

    Yes. Those goods and services are also purchased with taxpayer funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Not sure what's wrong with the middle school concept (K-5 6-8 9-12). I also don't think rearranging the deck chairs isn't actually going to change anything. I don't see an argument as to why it would.

    It appears to me that the gist of the argument is that it would be more efficient to have fewer locations, buildings, administrative staff personnel, etc. to house the local school children. I can see the logic in that argument. That's probably why "middle schools" were practically unheard of prior to forced racial desegregation, which is what spawned the rearrangement of facilities that resulted in the creation of middle schools to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes. Those goods and services are also purchased with taxpayer funds.

    You're welcome!
    Since you brought it up... I'd like a M4 in better condition for my next spin through the sand box. It sucks when you're looking through your peep and the stupid thing falls over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Since you brought it up... I'd like a M4 in better condition for my next spin through the sand box. It sucks when you're looking through your peep and the stupid thing falls over.

    I sincerely hope that you aren't required to make another spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    It appears to me that the gist of the argument is that it would be more efficient to have fewer locations, buildings, administrative staff personnel, etc. to house the local school children. I can see the logic in that argument. That's probably why "middle schools" were practically unheard of prior to forced racial desegregation, which is what spawned the rearrangement of facilities that resulted in the creation of middle schools to begin with.
    Middle Schools were "unheard of" only because the concept of the middle school was an invention of the late sixties. The idea was to separate children by their social needs. Elementary kids were really children, high schoolers at that point were really teenagers with full on secondary sex characteristics. Middle schoolers were in the middle, transitioning.

    Two things. First, this discussion seems like it's more geared to a particular large district with a particular set of logistical challenges, not a generalized idea that's applicable across the board. Boston wants to save money...okay. But that doesn't mean they'll educate people any better under this proposal, and I don't even see an argument why it would.

    Second, the half-life of an idea in American education is about 5 years. After that, any idea--even a good one--will be supplanted by some other idea that will take attention and funding away from whatever people are doing. Often, just making a change--any change--makes administrators look like they are doing something.

    Returning to a system that was largely abandoned 50 years ago based on logistics seems like a step backward to me.

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