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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    For Kindergarten through Second Grade, I went to St Bernard's / St Mary's in Akron, Ohio. The funny thing was we were the first co-ed year. They had a different idea of co-ed than most places. The only time we saw the girls was through a fence at recess and when they were walking in single file, silent line in the hallway to lunch.
    Lebron James attended St Mary's!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Of course, my point being that taking a "job" in the military entails taxpayer funds being used to provide paychecks to people who add nothing whatsoever to our gross domestic product. ...
    It could be argued that our GDP depends on foreign investors, who are unlikely to place a high value on investments in a country with no military defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    This is an interesting debate and one gaining popularity in an age of declining enrollment and rejected school budgets..

    Boston Superintendent Tommy Chang, grappling with a sharp enrollment decline in the middle grades, is floating the idea of creating a system of elementary schools that end at grade 6 and high schools that start at grade 7, a move that could radically alter the fabric of most schools across the city. Chang said the new configurations could boost the quality of education for seventh- and eighth-graders by concentrating support services in fewer schools.

    The idea being considered would try to streamline a school system with more than 20 grade configurations into a system of schools that is predominantly K-6 and 7-12. In many instances, K-8 schools would become K-6s, while elementary schools, which now end in fifth grade, would add a sixth grade. High schools, meanwhile would add seventh and eighth graders to their mix.

    In just the last 10 years, charter schools have added nearly 2,000 seats in grades 6, 7, and 8, according to a Globe analysis of state enrollment figures. During that same time, middle-grade enrollment in the city’s school system has dropped by about the same number. Now, students in the city school system are spread so thin that many middle schools have a fraction of the students they once educated, and many K-8s, even popular ones like the Hurley and Mission Hill, are struggling to fill their seats, raising concerns about possible school closings.

    Can see both pros and cons in this scenario. Not sure a lot of parents of 7th graders would want them in the same environment as 12th graders but on the other hand more potential options as far as AP classes and more choices could be a positive.

    Boston superintendent ponders making high schools grades 7 to 12 - The Boston Globe
    So.. the options suck? You merge Jr HS and HS or you have Profit Charters (good or bad) bleed off Taxpayer funds with no accountability? Charters are about a FEW people making PROFITS by.. cutting corners. Cheaper teachers? Getting a cheap deal to rent buildings? Really? What POSSIBLY can go wrong? Killing the Public Schools.... is not a new scam. It's about the ELITES getting Private Schools with TAX subsidy.. as the OTHER schools.. later lose funds off tax cutting. It's an element of class warfare the Libertarians especially pushed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Lebron James attended St Mary's!!
    That was St Vincent/St Mary's, a High School. Probably like some here that due to demographics and changing budgets had to merge a boy's school and a girls school... and also get smaller.

    Back in the 60's.....Catholic schools were largely staffed by Nuns or Brothers + Priests. Local Parishes gave some of Sunday collections to the Archdiosese .. which supplemented Tuitions... then sending a Kid to Moeller or Elder or Mt Notre Dame cost less thant $200 a year. Now? more like $2000. Purcell and Roger Bacon were once BIG time HS Football. Now? their area is NOT so able to afford higher so.... both are coed or merged and smaller. You see a real change in HS football. There's 5-6 full size boys schools in Ohio, a couple in Kentucky, a couple in Indiana.
    They ALL are in the chase for State Champ in whatever sport.. but...to sceduale a GOOD team...they have to play each other..so....it's as if there's a tri state "super league" of the ELITE teams in each state. Many schools NEVER play any team that's real good. Then....there's some where MOST of the sceduale is teams that have won state titles. The Area Catholic HS schools that shine in football.. shine in MOST sports and ALSO.. are tops in academics. Charter? Mostly in Ohio that's elementary schools where the public school underperformed. You can get cheaper teachers for grade school. The Catholic School I know..... PARENTS.. VERY involved. When Teachers, Parents, Administrators work TOGETHER... it's HUGE. After I'd graduated, moved West, Mom went to work at the high school. seems she knew all the kids, all the families.
    That's a big deal. When a school's faculty never sees the parents.. that sucks. I was in California a few decades.. there too the Catholic Schools did VERY well. Same pattern, Parents INVOLVED and INVESTED. Students? If they wanna screw up.. they are OUT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Six grades of elementary school and six grades of high school was the norm when I was growing up. Either that, or all 12 grades in a single school complex. Kindergarten wasn't part of the public school system back in those days. Anyone who attended kindergarten attended a private school at their own expense. High schools in those days were typically separated into Junior High (Grades 7 and 8) and Senior High (grades 9 - 12).

    I had never heard of a "middle school" until court mandated desegregation forced the school systems to be reconfigured to do away with all-white and all-black schools. Most public schools these days (at least in the region in which I live) don't take a full summer vacation any longer. They now take a 6 week break in winter and a 6 week break in summer.
    Mine was K-6, 7-9. 10-12. Some could graduate at 11 plus a semester if they had the credits and were enrolled in college. The same for my oldest brother who graduated in '62.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    I don't think the high school bar was ever really set that high. You might be longing for a time that never was.
    You should look at the older text books. I came across a bunch when we were considering home schooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Guess they can ♪ Be all that they can be ♪, and join the Army?
    When I joined the Army 30 years ago, I'm pretty sure I was required to have a H.S. diploma or GED (I had the former). If they can't even make it through h.s., they could have trouble making it through education in the armed forces, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    When I joined the Army 30 years ago, I'm pretty sure I was required to have a H.S. diploma or GED (I had the former). If they can't even make it through h.s., they could have trouble making it through education in the armed forces, too.

    Some students have trouble in HS but blossom in College my youngest daughter is one of those..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The military is nothing more than a welfare program when the nation isn't at war.
    I disagree. War often comes on without much warning, and we need trained troops in case it does happen. Not just foreign wars, either ... if we're invaded, we need to be able to respond immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Some students have trouble in HS but blossom in College my youngest daughter is one of those..
    Oh, sure. I thought h.s. was boring, though I didn't have trouble - except in classes I hated. College was much easier, really, precisely because it was actually challenging, but also because I wanted to be there. I also did it on the 10-year plan (i.e., graduating 10 years after h.s. ... having intermittently done the Army, college and work).

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