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    Should high school encompass 6 years?

    This is an interesting debate and one gaining popularity in an age of declining enrollment and rejected school budgets..

    Boston Superintendent Tommy Chang, grappling with a sharp enrollment decline in the middle grades, is floating the idea of creating a system of elementary schools that end at grade 6 and high schools that start at grade 7, a move that could radically alter the fabric of most schools across the city. Chang said the new configurations could boost the quality of education for seventh- and eighth-graders by concentrating support services in fewer schools.

    The idea being considered would try to streamline a school system with more than 20 grade configurations into a system of schools that is predominantly K-6 and 7-12. In many instances, K-8 schools would become K-6s, while elementary schools, which now end in fifth grade, would add a sixth grade. High schools, meanwhile would add seventh and eighth graders to their mix.

    In just the last 10 years, charter schools have added nearly 2,000 seats in grades 6, 7, and 8, according to a Globe analysis of state enrollment figures. During that same time, middle-grade enrollment in the city’s school system has dropped by about the same number. Now, students in the city school system are spread so thin that many middle schools have a fraction of the students they once educated, and many K-8s, even popular ones like the Hurley and Mission Hill, are struggling to fill their seats, raising concerns about possible school closings.

    Can see both pros and cons in this scenario. Not sure a lot of parents of 7th graders would want them in the same environment as 12th graders but on the other hand more potential options as far as AP classes and more choices could be a positive.

    Boston superintendent ponders making high schools grades 7 to 12 - The Boston Globe
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    It seems to work okay in Russia, where most schools have Junior (1-3/4 [Grade 4 is for kids too stupid or delinquent or otherwise problematic to "jump" straight to 5]), Medium (5-8), and Senior (9-11 [no Grade 12, you graduate from 11 over there]), all in the same building, on separate floors.

    But that's a long standing tradition over there, and I am not saying it would be the same here in Canada or in the US, of course...

    lol Made me remember the idiot in my Moscow school, Grade 9 guy, who would go down to the second floor to bully the little Junior kids and rob them of their pocket money, scumbag. One day, about thirty Grade 2, 3, and 4 kids banded together, ambushed this asshole, and beat him so bad, he was taken away in an ambulance afterwards lol Smashed his glasses, broke a damn chair over his head... Power of numvers, the first great math lesson for those kids

    Oh, man... Russia is a special fucking place, that's for sure...
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    I dunno... Putting eleven year-old kids in the same school as seventeen year-olds... Given the nature of puberty, they're practically different species. I'd rather see them eliminate summer vacation, which is actually detrimental to education. Typically, teachers spend at least two months refreshing students on material forgotten over the summer.
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    I would rather see the schools K-8 and 9-12. My DD13 is in 8th grade. I have raised four through the high school years. I really don't want her hanging out with high schoolers any earlier than necessary.

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    Agreed, 17 year olds in the throes of puberty, males thinking sex every 5 minutes have no business with 8th grade or younger. I believe that's trouble we should not invite.
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    Six grades of elementary school and six grades of high school was the norm when I was growing up. Either that, or all 12 grades in a single school complex. Kindergarten wasn't part of the public school system back in those days. Anyone who attended kindergarten attended a private school at their own expense. High schools in those days were typically separated into Junior High (Grades 7 and 8) and Senior High (grades 9 - 12).

    I had never heard of a "middle school" until court mandated desegregation forced the school systems to be reconfigured to do away with all-white and all-black schools. Most public schools these days (at least in the region in which I live) don't take a full summer vacation any longer. They now take a 6 week break in winter and a 6 week break in summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Agreed, 17 year olds in the throes of puberty, males thinking sex every 5 minutes have no business with 8th grade or younger. I believe that's trouble we should not invite.

    Do you really believe that not sending teenagers to the same school complex will stop them from having sex? I don't. I never had sex while in school. It was always an extracurricular activity for me. Churches are far more fertile grounds for teenage hookups than are schools anyway. Anyone who attended church as a teenager knows this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Do you really believe that not sending teenagers to the same school complex will stop them from having sex? I don't. I never had sex while in school. It was always an extracurricular activity for me. Churches are far more fertile grounds for teenage hookups than are schools anyway. Anyone who attended church as a teenager knows this.
    Actually, adding middle schoolers to high schoolers will result in more sex. I'd like to see your back up data on that little tidbit you tossed out about churches being more of a hookup than schools. I think you are wrong. Many states actually have had to change their statutory rape laws to make it less of a crime for a less than 3 year age difference just because of all the sex in high school. Nothing screws up a season like the quarterback going down for statutory rape.

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    When I was in school, we were K-6 ("Grade School"), 7-9 ("Junior High") and 10-12 ("High School"). The year I moved up to the High School, they reconfigured it to 9-12, and left 7-8 as middle school. Then they eventually moved the 6th Graders up with the 7th and 8th Graders. I'd be a little leery of 7-12. There truly is a world of difference between 11 and 17-18, and I appreciated the presence of junior high/middle school as a "buffer zone" between childhood and full-blown teenage-dom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    When I was in school, we were K-6 ("Grade School"), 7-9 ("Junior High") and 10-12 ("High School"). The year I moved up to the High School, they reconfigured it to 9-12, and left 7-8 as middle school. Then they eventually moved the 6th Graders up with the 7th and 8th Graders. I'd be a little leery of 7-12. There truly is a world of difference between 11 and 17-18, and I appreciated the presence of junior high/middle school as a "buffer zone" between childhood and full-blown teenage-dom.

    Junior High students hardly had any contact at all with Senior High students back when I attended High School. Not during school hours anyway. I find this fascination with 18 year olds having sex with 11 year olds simply because they attend school in the same building to be just a bit creepy.
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