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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    take away the phones and computers..... and you know, have them practice..... real life.
    That's the thing. Computers and pocket computers (which are what phones are now) are an integral part of 'real life', now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobfitcher View Post
    That's the thing. Computers and pocket computers (which are what phones are now) are an integral part of 'real life', now.
    I agree, you've got to include them. They aren't going away, but if you can inspire kids enough, then you hopefully will help them not want to use them as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I beg to differ. Some families, particularly intact biological parents with functional values are doing a great job. Blended families somewhat less so. These sad collections of individuals, often with drug and alcohol issues, often create toxic environments fir the children trapped in their homes. The children from those environments are the ones who break your heart.
    And thats all the more reason for the state to do all it can to at least mitigate that toxic environment, some other place they can at least get some guidance and exposure to seeing things differently, handling things differently.

    This came up in another thread....check this out and tell me what you think of it....mainly the core idea in the part I quoted there.

    Is It Too Simplistic to Say America Should Imitate the Nordic Economies? | Alternet


    Partanen cites a Swedish historian, Lars Trägårdh, who argues that “the overarching ambition of Nordic societies during the course of the twentieth century, and into the twenty-first, has not been to socialize the economy at all, as is often mistakenly assumed. Rather the goal has been to free the individual from all forms of dependency within the family and in civil society: the poor from charity, wives from husbands, adult children from parents, and elderly parents from their children. The express purpose of this freedom is to allow all those human relationships to be unencumbered by ulterior motives and needs, and thus to be entirely free, completely authentic, and driven purely by love.”

    far from being docile servants of nanny states, Partanen argues, the Nordics are bloody-minded individualists – because they can afford to be. That personal autonomy, Partanen says, means that no one has to stay in an abusive marriage (and risk death) because they need the abuser’s income. No one has to borrow from the Bank of Mom and Pop for the down payment on a condo, because everyone leaves post-secondary debt-free. And when Mom and Pop grow old, the kids don’t have to bear the brunt of caring for them: the whole society does that. The kids can spend quality time with their failing parents instead of changing their diapers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrilling View Post
    I am very sorry to hear what you have been through.
    I can relate, as I have been through physical and emotional abuse as a child, as well as being a child of divorce.
    Don't be. I have simply experienced life. Everyone experiences challenges. Some far worse than anything I've seen. Still, where would any of us without our life experiences, good or bad?

    I've ended up in a good place. I have no complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    People who cannot deal with life successfully is ALSO just part of life.
    I am all in favor of having trained counselors in schools who can guide troubled or abused to the proper agency/resource to help them.
    However, I do not feel it is the place of the public schools to "teach" children the "subjects" you refer to in your original post on this matter.
    Agree. Though I think teachers need to be somewhat intuitive to recognize symptoms or issues that come up (depression, anger etc) and be able to send them to the counselors for that assistance. Teachers really need to focus on getting kids ready for the real world, warts and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Don't be. I have simply experienced life. Everyone experiences challenges. Some far worse than anything I've seen. Still, where would any of us without our life experiences, good or bad?

    I've ended up in a good place. I have no complaints.
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrilling View Post
    Dealing with the following subjects.

    1: Frustration
    2: Rejection
    3: Peer Pressure
    4: Heart Break
    5: Jealousy
    6: Feelings of inadequacy
    7: All things about sex and what it does to us, not just showing us a Condom.

    There are countless more subjects that would be so beneficial for young people to deal with and learn about, that would prepare them better for life than many
    other subjects that are taught now.
    Don't they have counselors for that? I don't recall ever being taught that, maybe other than peer pressure. The rest are very difficult, and that really is on the parent. Unfortunately for many kids, parents can absolutely suck.

    As has been mentioned already and I totally agree with, you learn that by experience. Just like parents learn how to parent by experience. And kids need to experience loss, and that's why the participation trophy culture is horrible. Granted, OK for very young kids, but they need to learn how to lose, deal with jealousy, inadequacy, heart break by doing. YOu can't teach that. I think that's why you see a spike in school shootings, kids aren't learning how to deal with the hardships of life and then are thrown out into the world, which can be brutal
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    take away the phones and computers..... and you know, have them practice..... real life.
    Yeah, you can't block your problems in real life

    Maybe in the future (anybody seen Black Mirror "White Christmas" episode?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    Don't they have counselors for that? I don't recall ever being taught that, maybe other than peer pressure. The rest are very difficult, and that really is on the parent. Unfortunately for many kids, parents can absolutely suck.
    I see school counselors(Bless them all), as applying band aid strips to a massive hemorrhage. All it takes, is for one parent to suck to kill any chance of a normal family.
    I know that many kids may just need those band aids, to help them get through something. When that happens, they can get back in the main stream flow of life.
    Many kids have fantastic parents that help them in every step of the way(Including getting out of the way when necessary). I think even they can benefit from learning more about these parts of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    And thats all the more reason for the state to do all it can to at least mitigate that toxic environment, some other place they can at least get some guidance and exposure to seeing things differently, handling things differently.

    This came up in another thread....check this out and tell me what you think of it....mainly the core idea in the part I quoted there.

    Is It Too Simplistic to Say America Should Imitate the Nordic Economies? | Alternet


    Partanen cites a Swedish historian, Lars Trägårdh, who argues that “the overarching ambition of Nordic societies during the course of the twentieth century, and into the twenty-first, has not been to socialize the economy at all, as is often mistakenly assumed. Rather the goal has been to free the individual from all forms of dependency within the family and in civil society: the poor from charity, wives from husbands, adult children from parents, and elderly parents from their children. The express purpose of this freedom is to allow all those human relationships to be unencumbered by ulterior motives and needs, and thus to be entirely free, completely authentic, and driven purely by love.”

    far from being docile servants of nanny states, Partanen argues, the Nordics are bloody-minded individualists – because they can afford to be. That personal autonomy, Partanen says, means that no one has to stay in an abusive marriage (and risk death) because they need the abuser’s income. No one has to borrow from the Bank of Mom and Pop for the down payment on a condo, because everyone leaves post-secondary debt-free. And when Mom and Pop grow old, the kids don’t have to bear the brunt of caring for them: the whole society does that. The kids can spend quality time with their failing parents instead of changing their diapers.
    In "hillbilly elegy" Jed Vance details his life growing up in a disfunctional family. He is of the Appalachian subculture. The same as me. His conclusion is the government can't "fix" our subculture's problems. He feels the best the can do is work around the margins.

    Like Jd Vance I'm of the opinion change needs to come to my people from within. I see no "value" in federal government intervention. In point of fact from what I've seen of many federal programs I'm of the opinion they hurt more than they help.

    If you want to believe the Scandinavian nanny state is a good thing for scandinavians then by all means continue to believe so. To believe in a Scandinavian solution for my people would simply be hubris on your part.

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