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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    no, sorry, they are not. They are fun toys and distractions, but they are not real life. Living your life on line...is just that...living your live on line. Again... not real life. Real life is where you learn how to deal with the list of emotional issues listed in the op.

    At some point... parents need to parent. It is not the schools or teachers responsibility to raise up other peoples kids.
    I have to agree with Dutch on this one. (Had to happen sooner or later.) Computers and phones are part of our society - an integral part, now - and we cannot simply ignore them. They have been integrated. What we need to do is teach children their appropriate use, as with any other tools.
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    Understanding different cultures can only benefit kids. Since we have so many people from so many backgrounds here in America, it is truly something they can learn from.
    "Those darn passive aggressive Nordes"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrilling View Post
    I see school counselors(Bless them all), as applying band aid strips to a massive hemorrhage. All it takes, is for one parent to suck to kill any chance of a normal family.
    I know that many kids may just need those band aids, to help them get through something. When that happens, they can get back in the main stream flow of life.
    Many kids have fantastic parents that help them in every step of the way(Including getting out of the way when necessary). I think even they can benefit from learning more about these parts of life.
    Sadly, there is nothing that can be done about shitty parents, by the school or anybody, unless you can prove abuse. And even then, its hard to do anything. And good vs bad parenting is completely subjective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    In "hillbilly elegy" Jed Vance details his life growing up in a disfunctional family. He is of the Appalachian subculture. The same as me. His conclusion is the government can't "fix" our subculture's problems. He feels the best the can do is work around the margins.

    Like Jd Vance I'm of the opinion change needs to come to my people from within. I see no "value" in federal government intervention. In point of fact from what I've seen of many federal programs I'm of the opinion they hurt more than they help.

    If you want to believe the Scandinavian nanny state is a good thing for scandinavians then by all means continue to believe so. To believe in a Scandinavian solution for my people would simply be hubris on your part.
    Its not about Sweden, its about the notion/concept that creating a society that actually frees people from direct dependence on specific individuals means more freedom and frees relationships up as well as they are built upon actual bonds instead of dependence, that as a society we can provide easier escape routes and alternatives for people to get away from and out of situations that are toxic and not healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I beg to differ. Some families, particularly intact biological parents with functional values are doing a great job. Blended families somewhat less so. These sad collections of individuals, often with drug and alcohol issues, often create toxic environments fir the children trapped in their homes. The children from those environments are the ones who break your heart.

    THis is the reason why you can't have people judging other's parenting skills, people like Dutch would want to have kids taken away from parents for not having his values

    You have perfectly good looking families on the outside, mother, dad, that are shitty parents and raise messed up kids. Shit, even well respected community members like pastors can raise messed up kid. and a single mom or gay couple can raise great kids
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I bet you are a awesome teacher....your students are lucky to have you. It never ceases to amaze me how some people can mistreat our most vulnerable. Children are helpless.
    well, as long as they follow his functional values that is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    Sadly, there is nothing that can be done about shitty parents, by the school or anybody, unless you can prove abuse. And even then, its hard to do anything. And good vs bad parenting is completely subjective.
    Unfortunately, everything you have said here....is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrilling View Post
    Unfortunately, everything you have said here....is true.
    it's a vicious cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    THis is the reason why you can't have people judging other's parenting skills, people like Dutch would want to have kids taken away from parents for not having his values

    You have perfectly good looking families on the outside, mother, dad, that are shitty parents and raise messed up kids. Shit, even pastors raise messed up kids
    Doc I will have to agree with you on this. I can speak from experience on being abused by an non blended, but with alcohol issues parent. Pre conceived notions on what a good set of parents looks like does not get us anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Actually the get that and what the op called for. The social aspects are just dealt with in a slightly different manner than some would think.
    There are ALL kinds of extracurricular activities that can help IMMENSELY in the social aspects of growing up.

    And, no reason we can't set up more.
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