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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    In "hillbilly elegy" Jed Vance details his life growing up in a disfunctional family. He is of the Appalachian subculture. The same as me. His conclusion is the government can't "fix" our subculture's problems. He feels the best the can do is work around the margins.

    Like Jd Vance I'm of the opinion change needs to come to my people from within. I see no "value" in federal government intervention. In point of fact from what I've seen of many federal programs I'm of the opinion they hurt more than they help.

    If you want to believe the Scandinavian nanny state is a good thing for scandinavians then by all means continue to believe so. To believe in a Scandinavian solution for my people would simply be hubris on your part.
    I am reading that book right now. MaryAnne suggested it a few months ago. The book describes many members of my family as well...and the migration to the north is spot on as the writer saw it. Jackson, KY is not very far from where my family lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos;[URL="tel:4808431"
    4808431[/URL]]Will you expand on this? I don't see what is so different about today than any other time. Teaching children the skills they need to survive is the most important job of parents.
    I actually don't agree with that statement of his. The skills young men and women need for employment may differ from decade to decade but parenting skills, raising functioning adults, are essentially the same no matter what decade you live in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf;[URL="tel:4808471"
    4808471[/URL]]I am reading that book right now. MaryAnne suggested it a few months ago. The book describes many members of my family as well...and the migration to the north is spot on as the writer saw it. Jackson, KY is not very far from where my family lives.
    Are your roots in the appalacians? Are you scots Irish?
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    Another interesting and important topic the clique made sure some of us won't be able to participate in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    Another interesting and important topic the clique made sure some of us won't be able to participate in.
    .???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I have to agree with Dutch on this one. (Had to happen sooner or later.) Computers and phones are part of our society - an integral part, now - and we cannot simply ignore them. They have been integrated. What we need to do is teach children their appropriate use, as with any other tools.
    Exactly...their employers will expect them to be proficient on these tools but use them with self management. There are positions now where the job requirement is being on Facebook all day...looking for trends, marketing, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    There are ALL kinds of extracurricular activities that can help IMMENSELY in the social aspects of growing up.

    And, no reason we can't set up more.
    Sports....sports teaches teamwork, respect (coach), competitiveness (to survive today's job market) and it builds self esteem. You really do not have to wait until a child starts school to start introducing sports to a child and there are many to pick from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I actually don't agree with that statement of his. The skills young men and women need for employment may differ from decade to decade but parenting skills, raising functioning adults, are essentially the same no matter what decade you live in.
    Back in the late '70s or early '80s it was clear that a 4-year degree was something most of us could sleep through and still not know what we were good at or what we enjoyed. An entire generation was nudged into a career they hate because it paid for their house on a cul-de-sac and 2 cars made in Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Are your roots in the appalacians? Are you scots Irish?
    I am not sure, but I have always been told we came from England. I feel Irish/Scott tho...they are the fun people!! LOL j/k My family is from Eastern KY...I was born there and lived until I was 5 then my Dad migrated our family to Detroit. My Dad deeded me the family home a while back...he always hung on to it in case we needed to move back. I visit about 4-3 times per year. Now, he is retired in Tenn...and many of my family members moved there too. I am getting my Dad a hard copy of that book...he was discriminated against big time when he moved to Detroit. Such as, lazy dumb hillbillies won't pay the rent...so finding a permanent rental was hard for him, jobs because of his southern accent. He worked on his accent hard...and corrected it so he could find a job. He worked as a mover after the car Company, Hudson Motors shut down and lied when they asked him if he could drive a semi...got his first route to NYC and taught himself how to drive the truck and handle the truck. He had a little experience driving a coal truck. He did that because it paid more money and he could finally move his family there. I am proud of my heritage...it represents ambition and hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    And you are quite the brave, little man.

    But, what is your problem with After School activities?

    Did the "Jocks" pick on you?

    The "Band" people taunt you with tales of what goes on at Band Camp?

    Did those mean people in the Drama club throw you out?

    No wonder you have so many personal issues.
    Does anyone want to discuss the psychology of this post?
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