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    Quote Originally Posted by Æthelfrith View Post
    Equality of opportunity is paramount! This means that a 'comprehensive education', run by government, is best (both in terms of equity and efficiency criteria). To maintain high localised standards, regulation just needs to be engineered to test School 'value added' scores every 3-4 years.
    It may be best for a national baseline, but for individuals, it can't beat the small classroom sizes of private schools or the personal attention of home schools. We're in a waiting queue to get in our local charter school for our 6 year old, so in the meantime we have to homeschool with their curriculum, and Charlie is just killing it, every assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    What you're describing is the beginning of a death spiral for public schools.

    As for Dartmouth, it and all the other Ivies have enough endowment that they could operate without charging tuition at all. They could simply admit the brightest and most capable students in the country without regard to ability to pay. They don't and wouldn't consider the possibility. Why? Because they trade on prestige and you can't have prestige if you let the riffraff in...even if they are smart riffraff.
    Stanford university, in addition to owning 8,180 acres of some of the most expensive real estate in the US, also has a $22.4 billion endowment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    That is so, but it is also a bit like saying a Toyota Corolla simply can't compete at every level with a Bentley Continental. That is certainly the status quo where education, health, justice, etc. is concerned in a predominantly materialistic society, but the question needs to be asked - is that best of all possible societies? Is it not desirable that we change our priorities to ensure a greater level of equality of opportunity for the have-nots. The alternative being societally supported elitism, plutocratic rule, and the emergence of a poorly educated, unhealthy, and often violent underclass, necessitating the privileged few to live in gated communities, and employ bodyguards. Who would want that for his society?
    Well that would be the question wouldn't it?

    This is where ideological differences come in.

    Do I believe every student should be given a private school education on my dime?

    No

    Should they be given a basic education?

    Yes

    What they do with it after that is up to them.

    I was actually kicked out of school, had to get my GED, even got kicked out of adult ed but I succeeded so I have no sympathy for those that can't do what I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    It may be best for a national baseline, but for individuals, it can't beat the small classroom sizes of private schools or the personal attention of home schools. We're in a waiting queue to get in our local charter school for our 6 year old, so in the meantime we have to homeschool with their curriculum, and Charlie is just killing it, every assessment.
    I hear homeschooling produces the best results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Well that would be the question wouldn't it?

    This is where ideological differences come in.

    Do I believe every student should be given a private school education on my dime?

    No

    Should they be given a basic education?

    Yes

    What they do with it after that is up to them.

    I was actually kicked out of school, had to get my GED, even got kicked out of adult ed but I succeeded so I have no sympathy for those that can't do what I did.
    What you choose to regard as ideology - I call common sense. What you or I did with our educational opportunities is not relevant to this discussion.

    Your particular ideology is obvious from this statement - "Do I believe every student should be given a private school education on my dime? No."

    It is my opinion that equal opportunity, and a concern for the welfare of our fellows, is what differentiates a civilisation from a mere industrial/military complex. Perhaps the better question might be "Do I believe every student should be given an equally good education?" And the better answer would be "Yes".

    I don't want to be offensive, but as long as your attitudes prevail, yours will never become a civilisation. Thankfully, I do not believe all Americans share those values.
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    Both Steve jobs, and Steve Wozniak were the products of a public school education. I'd say the US got a pretty good economic return on it's education dime invested in them.
    Last edited by labrea; 21st August 2017 at 11:13 AM.
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    I attended both private and public schools, and I absolutely hated the private schools. When I attended private schools I had issues meeting other kids that lived in my neighbourhood. Also the private schools I attended were religious, so they pushed a lot of messed up ideas. The Alberta government has made it a priority to offer families a variety in the available publically funded schools.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...0/?arc404=true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    It may be best for a national baseline, but for individuals, it can't beat the small classroom sizes of private schools or the personal attention of home schools. We're in a waiting queue to get in our local charter school for our 6 year old, so in the meantime we have to homeschool with their curriculum, and Charlie is just killing it, every assessment.
    I certainly can appreciate why folk use private education. However, it is certainly problematic for the economy. Essentially you get middle class 'low intellect' kids outperforming, in terms of labour market outcome, working class 'high intellect' kids. Intensifying inequality of opportunity, we guarantee destruction of ability
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    Just part of the rich trying to destroy all other classes.
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    What Americans believe about private vs public schools is irrelevant. How public vs private schools actually perform, the SAT and ACT scores of public school students vs the SAT and ACT scores of students from private schools, and the continued drop of the US in world education ranking in science, math, and reading, and the decades long steady drop in SAT and ACT scores is what counts.
    Last edited by Tennyson; 21st August 2017 at 12:12 PM.
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