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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Plenty of poor ignorant people send their kids to school essentially because it's daycare.
    You don't have to be an immigrant to take that attitude.
    They aren't shy about letting them know that they think school is bullshit and a waste of time, and their kids perform accordingly, until they drop out. Plenty of schools only graduate-- that's just graduating, not with anything special at all --40% of their kids. Some are worse. Detroit is <25%.
    The key factor in those schools is poverty, not immigration status.

    What happens to the rest? You know what happens? They're dead weight, sucking resources away from those 40% who actually give a shit enough to persevere, bleeding the system dry with zero intention of putting in any work and no understanding of how it can pay off. Public schools are crippled by poverty and ignorance. If students think it's a waste of time there isn't much you can do.

    And who can blame them? Where there is poverty there is ignorance, there are drugs. Violence at home and on the streets, get rich or die trying. Alcoholism. Hunger. You wake up to that as an 8-year-old and how the hell are you going to give a shit about math? Or learning to write? Or, as you age, things that are even more esoteric, the rewards even harder to understand?

    It's a chicken-and-egg problem. But for what we spend on bullshit, on corporate tax breaks and amnesties, on a military that could already kick half the world's collective ass, people shouldn't be going hungry. Nobody should even be worrying a little bit about food, for themselves or for their children. Or housing. Or having their streets be a war zone.

    Imagine if everybody got healthcare, food, and shelter. You'd meet people from France and they'd hide their heads in shame, or tell you about their uncle who lives in Illinois, try to glom onto some of that glory. Nobody would be able to argue with shit. World's most dominant military, take zero shit, and EVERYBODY is fucking eating and staying warm and dry. How you doin?

    I would love talking that kind of shit.
    The best public schools in the world are in Finland. They pay their teachers well and the provide all sorts of public services through schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    We try. The legislature has just laid down a huge marker for the CSU--4-year graduation rates at 37% by 2525. That is, they want 37% of students to complete their degrees in eight semesters.

    As a comparison, that figure is about 20% nationally. My campus is right now at 12%.

    We've never even measured graduation rates at the four-year mark before. We've always measured it at six years.

    It's cheaper to move more quickly, but some students find taking a full-time load prohibitively difficult due to work and other obligations.
    Agree - if your working so you don't have so much student debt - makes sense that you are going to be graduating a bit later than 4 years. My daughter's BF went to school, had to take a year off to get caught up money wise, then went back. Proud of her - she may of been a bit late to graduate but she kept at it.

    IMO, we do have to best college system in the country. So many different paths you can take here to college. Have the CC's, the CSU's , the UC's and then the private schools. Something for every motivated student.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Just part of the rich trying to destroy all other classes.
    They will destroy the source of their wealth, and themselves in the process. It kinda like killing the goose that laid the golden eggs. If you want more eggs, take good care of the goose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    They will destroy the source of their wealth, and themselves in the process. It kinda like killing the goose that laid the golden eggs. If you want more eggs, take good care of the goose.
    It's happened every time, and every time the Haves scoff at the very notion that any such thing can possibly happen to them. Until it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    You don't have to be an immigrant to take that attitude. The key factor in those schools is poverty, not immigration status.
    If I gave you the impression that was not what I was saying, I really fucked that post up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    What Americans believe about private vs public schools is irrelevant. How public vs private schools actually perform, the SAT and ACT scores of public school students vs the SAT and ACT scores of students from private schools, and the continued drop of the US in world education ranking in science, math, and reading, and the decades long steady drop in SAT and ACT scores is what counts.
    Just because a kid is from a rich family that can afford an expensive private school, doesn't mean his IQ is higher than some kid with PTSD because he is living in the bad part of Chicago, and going to an underfunded public school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    It's happened every time, and every time the Haves scoff at the very notion that any such thing can possibly happen to them. Until it does.
    Yep. And by the time it does, the serfs are really pissed off, and out for blood as well as justice - think French Revolution, China, Russia.
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    Interesting - just ran across this article - Universities and colleges struggle to stem big drops in enrollment



    A dip in the birth rate means there are fewer 18- to 24-year olds leaving high schools, especially in the Midwest and Northeast. This has coincided with an even more precipitous decline in the number of students older than 24, who experts say have been drawn back into the workforce as the economy improves, dragging down enrollment at community colleges and private, for-profit universities that provide mid-career education.

    The result is that the number of students in colleges and universities has now dropped for five straight years, according to the National Student Clearinghouse, which tracks this — and this year is the worst so far, with 81,000 fewer high school graduates nationwide heading to places like Ohio Wesleyan, whose entering freshman class is down 9 percent from last year.

    How dramatic is the falloff? There were just over 18 million students enrolled in higher education nationally in the semester just ended — 2.4 million fewer than there were in the fall of 2011, the most recent peak, the National Student Clearinghouse reports.

    Universities and colleges struggle to stem big drops in enrollment - The Hechinger Report
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Interesting - just ran across this article - Universities and colleges struggle to stem big drops in enrollment



    A dip in the birth rate means there are fewer 18- to 24-year olds leaving high schools, especially in the Midwest and Northeast. This has coincided with an even more precipitous decline in the number of students older than 24, who experts say have been drawn back into the workforce as the economy improves, dragging down enrollment at community colleges and private, for-profit universities that provide mid-career education.

    The result is that the number of students in colleges and universities has now dropped for five straight years, according to the National Student Clearinghouse, which tracks this — and this year is the worst so far, with 81,000 fewer high school graduates nationwide heading to places like Ohio Wesleyan, whose entering freshman class is down 9 percent from last year.

    How dramatic is the falloff? There were just over 18 million students enrolled in higher education nationally in the semester just ended — 2.4 million fewer than there were in the fall of 2011, the most recent peak, the National Student Clearinghouse reports.

    Universities and colleges struggle to stem big drops in enrollment - The Hechinger Report
    No drop off in California. We turned down 20K+ qualified students last year. Not a good time to be a small liberal arts college, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Boy have times changed. Now it seems a lot of people prefer private schools, all ours have enormous waiting lists. Fifteen years ago when my eldest was in jr high they were begging for students as they had tons of openings. What's changed?

    "As another school year begins, Americans believe private schools provide students with the best K-12 education of five different types of schools in the U.S. The 71% who rate the quality of private school education as excellent or good exceeds the ratings for parochial, charter, home and public schooling, in that order. The 71% of Americans who rate private school education positively is only a bit higher than the 63% positive rating for parochial schools but far outpaces the percentages for charter schools (55%), home schooling (46%) and public schools (44%)."

    There are greater differences by party identification. Republicans are more positive than Democrats about parochial, charter and home schooling, and Democrats are more positive than Republicans about public schooling.

    Still, both party groups rank private schooling as the most effective, with 76% of Republicans and 68% of Democrats saying it provides students with an excellent or good education. Parochial schools rank second for both. However, charter schools rank third among Republicans, followed by home schooling and then public schools. For Democrats, charter schools tie with public schools at 48%, while home schooling is rated worst at 38%.

    Private Schools First, Public Schools Last in K-12 Ratings | Gallup
    It says a lot when the politicians in charge of our education system send their own kids to private schools.

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