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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Trump grew up mouthing the words but thinking we should be pledging allegiance to him.

    (or maybe he took the "Indivisible" part as a dare)
    It must be where he got the idea of his personal "Loyalty Pledges" he requires from those who work with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I know it's not what people think of when they talk about separation of church and state, but having what are effectively prayers of allegiance, a flag icon, and a hymn to sing every morning before classes start sounds like the merger of state and religion to me.
    I agree. That's why I rarely stood for the pledge when I was in school. Especially if I was cramming for a first-period test, or incomplete homework to finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I know it's not what people think of when they talk about separation of church and state, but having what are effectively prayers of allegiance, a flag icon, and a hymn to sing every morning before classes start sounds like the merger of state and religion to me.
    Well if I recall correctly, it was just patriotic, wasn't it Eisenhower that put the God back in it all? I seem to remember reading that they did that in opposition to the communist threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I agree. That's why I rarely stood for the pledge when I was in school. Especially if I was cramming for a first-period test, or incomplete homework to finish.
    We weren't really allowed to do that. Legally I am sure we could have, but back then the teacher would come over and nudge you. Or worse, you ended up being the one to hold the flag in front of the whole class. We had forms prior to the first day of school where parents had to put down if you had any religious beliefs that forbade you standing. If there were none, you got your butt up or your parent was called. In a blue collar union factory town, that was the worst thing you could do as your parents would be fearful that your name went around as sympathetic to communists. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    We weren't really allowed to do that. Legally I am sure we could have, but back then the teacher would come over and nudge you. Or worse, you ended up being the one to hold the flag in front of the whole class. We had forms prior to the first day of school where parents had to put down if you had any religious beliefs that forbade you standing. If there were none, you got your butt up or your parent was called. In a blue collar union factory town, that was the worst thing you could do as your parents would be fearful that your name went around as sympathetic to communists. lol
    I honestly don't remember the Pledge ritual at all in the grades below HS. In HS, it wasn't done, we had weird scheduling blocks called modular scheduling. No home room and sometimes my first class wasn't until 10 am some semesters. I imagine, in HS, homeroom is where the Pledge is recited. Back in the day, kids feared the call to the parents because personal conduct and respect is what mattered. I am not sure which I feared more, a call to my Dad or being benched for volley ball or softball because of conduct. We were told if we lettered in a sport, it was more than just being a good athlete and if we could not follow the rules, our letters would be removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I honestly don't remember the Pledge ritual at all in the grades below HS. In HS, it wasn't done, we had weird scheduling blocks called modular scheduling. No home room and sometimes my first class wasn't until 10 am some semesters. I imagine, in HS, homeroom is where the Pledge is recited. Back in the day, kids feared the call to the parents because personal conduct and respect is what mattered. I am not sure which I feared more, a call to my Dad or being benched for volley ball or softball because of conduct. We were told if we lettered in a sport, it was more than just being a good athlete and if we could not follow the rules, our letters would be removed.
    Yea we all had contracts for sports, clubs etc where you "represented" the school and had to act accordingly. It was pretty strict too, you could lose scholarships and everything if you violated it. Of course your parents had to sign it as well since kids are minors. My kids had to do so more recently as well. But oh yea, that call to the parents was the worst. "Anything but that!" lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Well if I recall correctly, it was just patriotic, wasn't it Eisenhower that put the God back in it all? I seem to remember reading that they did that in opposition to the communist threat.
    That's true. Here's something else that was changed just prior to that. They dropped the "Bellamy Salute".

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    Don't think anyone is obligated to recite the pledge.

    Was a routine event in school when i was growing up. Which was during the cold war years. Never thought of it as "creepy".


    Times have changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Well if I recall correctly, it was just patriotic, wasn't it Eisenhower that put the God back in it all? I seem to remember reading that they did that in opposition to the communist threat.
    There were a number of propaganda plays undertaken during the so-called Cold War, and these included placing the phrase "In God We Trust" on money and adding the "under God" phrase to the pledge of allegiance. That said, there was no putting God back into the pledge, since the phrase had never previously been there.

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    When I was in school here I used to burn the Unionist flag ('Union Jack') on Empire Day, and everyone was pleasantly tolerant. Patriotism that has to be ritualised is not real.

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