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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post

    So here is the point of the thread. If you were to riff off this concept and pick right wing american women who persisted, whom would you pick?
    Ayn Rand, but horror stories are more suitable for High schoolers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I have a serious question--persisted against what? I mean, we can certainly name right-wing American women who have been successful in various ways, and any success requires some sort of persistence, but something tells me that Clinton's book is about a particular kind of persistence...probably persistence against powerful forces that opposed them. Not sure how the women who've been mentioned so far qualify. I'm not denying that they did, but I'd like to hear that part of their biographies.

    The thing is, "right wing" pretty much by definition is about aligning with the rich and powerful rather than opposing them.

    How about Camille Paglia? She persists against the whole feminist-leaning world of the humanities.
    The stories vary, persisting against physical handicaps (Helen Keller), against social injustice (multiple examples), against the low expectations of parents, against physical barriers (such as a great athlete might face), against perceived social limitations (Women can't do that!).

    Condi Rice faced the same barriers as any black woman who grew up in the south, so she was the first one that came to my mind.

    I tailored my presentation by repeating several ideas: knowing what is right in your heart and persisting in your opinion, aiming high to accomplish something that is hard, visualizing a future and looking for pathfinders you can emulate. I tried to give the 2nd graders different hooks to match their own talents because telling them they SHOULD do all those things or persist in all those ways is just a bunch of noise. And since you don't know the children I tried to illustrate in different ways just as Clinton's book did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    The stories vary, persisting against physical handicaps (Helen Keller), against social injustice (multiple examples), against the low expectations of parents, against physical barriers (such as a great athlete might face), against perceived social limitations (Women can't do that!).
    Not sure why you associate these people or struggles with the left wing. Honestly, that last one is hard for me to associate with the right wing, since an women who succeeds in right-wing politics has to comport herself in ways that don't upset traditionalists, since traditionalists hold a lot of power in right-wing circles. That's part of the "conservative" identity, no?

    Condi Rice faced the same barriers as any black woman who grew up in the south, so she was the first one that came to my mind.
    Agreed. And she's certainly right-wing. But the barriers she faced weren't right-wing barriers, or if they were, her status as a right-wing thinker HELPED her against those barriers. Perhaps the most impressive thing about her is that she achieved first as a concert pianist and only later as a diplomat. A unique skill combination that must have led to an interesting life. I admire Arthur Brooks (violin) of the AEI for the same thing, even when I'm disagreeing with his conclusions about things.

    I tailored my presentation by repeating several ideas: knowing what is right in your heart and persisting in your opinion, aiming high to accomplish something that is hard, visualizing a future and looking for pathfinders you can emulate. I tried to give the 2nd graders different hooks to match their own talents because telling them they SHOULD do all those things or persist in all those ways is just a bunch of noise.
    Sounds like you done good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Not sure why you associate these people or struggles with the left wing. Honestly, that last one is hard for me to associate with the right wing, since an women who succeeds in right-wing politics has to comport herself in ways that don't upset traditionalists, since traditionalists hold a lot of power in right-wing circles. That's part of the "conservative" identity, no?

    Agreed. And she's certainly right-wing. But the barriers she faced weren't right-wing barriers, or if they were, her status as a right-wing thinker HELPED her against those barriers. Perhaps the most impressive thing about her is that she achieved first as a concert pianist and only later as a diplomat. A unique skill combination that must have led to an interesting life. I admire Arthur Brooks (violin) of the AEI for the same thing, even when I'm disagreeing with his conclusions about things.

    Sounds like you done good.
    My original point is that a number of the women in the book were progressive heroes. In fact the title itself is based on an Elizabeth Warren episode (this is according to the instructions we were given as readers).

    But folks who are associated with right wing causes can be heroes too and often in the exact same ways.

    One funny thing that happened. I try to be goofy during such a heavy exploration of amazing people. So when we got to the American dancer who broke through the "Russians only" barrier, I talked about my one and only ballet class and showed how the simplest thing can be painful, so I did a simple Plie, the only thing I learned from my one class. I said that even though I did not persist as a ballet dancer, I can still do that one move.

    Any resemblance between a beer bellied 66 year old and a ballerina aside, when the class was over and I asked if they had any questions, two of the children asked me to do that squat thing again.

    Cool.
    Last edited by kmiller1610; 28th October 2017 at 06:36 AM.

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