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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Hey lets just arm everybody like the Wild Wild West!

    WTF happened to my country!?

    And yes I own guns too but I don't need a God Dam AR-15, and your right to play with one doesn't trump my right to keep our kids safe from a weapon that is designed to be as lethal as possible in a short amount of time.
    Too many kids growing up today in the rabid gun culture, for one thing...

    Third-graders are selling AR-15 raffle tickets in MO

    Third-graders in a Missouri community are continuing to sell raffle tickets for an AR-15 to benefit their traveling baseball team after the same type of rifle was used to slaughter and injure dozens at a Florida school.

    Levi Patterson, the coach of a 9-and-under baseball team in Neosho, Mo., told The Star the idea was conceived before the shooting in Parkland, Fla.

    A father of one of the players — who co-founded Black Rain Ordnance Inc., a weapons purveyor in Neosho — offered the weapon for the raffle

    Patterson said by phone Saturday that he considered finding a different raffle item after Wednesday’s mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, but ultimately decided to “turn it into a positive thing” after “getting the hate.”
    Last edited by Friday13; 18th February 2018 at 07:02 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friday13 View Post
    Too many kids growing up today in the rabid gun culture, for one thing...

    Third-graders are selling AR-15 raffle tickets in MO
    3rd graders?? Are you kidding me?

    What the hell are their parents thinking??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "Armed teachers" will protect students? I'm not convinced.
    Class: talking over teacher.

    Teacher: (putting hand on gun) It's alright, I'll wait!" pat pat pat ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Stupid premise to begin with.

    Teachers don't want to be armed.

    Especially considering most of them are women.

    And all it would take is one bullet to the wrong kid.
    Could also add another gun and more ammo to the killer's arsenal. A lot of females end up having heir guns taken away from them by a perp because they hesitate or can't kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    This rifle is not a 'tool' I have use for," Dickmann wrote. "I could have easily sold this rifle, but no person needs this. I will be the change I want to see in this world."



    https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorher...OJn#.hs3XA38xa

    Mmm, who to believe? A local sheriff from Florida, or some ranging member on this board?
    Your post seems to indicate a LEO said that, not the case. Some random guy paraphrasing Ghandi...

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    I’m putting my money where my mouth is (from yesterday’s FB post). This is an AR-FiveSeven, I own this rifle. It’s a caliber variant of the AR-15. I am a responsible, highly trained gun owner. (I am NOT a Police Officer or Sheriff’s Deputy). However I do not need this rifle. No one without a law enforcement badge needs this rifle. This rifle is not a “tool” I have use for. A tool, by definition makes a job/work easier. Any “job” i can think of legally needing doing can be don...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    That's another one! The gunman was completely law abiding till he started shooting. He didn't even have to wait 24 hours to buy the AR15, unlike a woman seeking an abortion in Florida.
    Sure he was, red flags were everywhere, do a bit of reading before posting in ignorance.

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    Fla. shooting suspect had a history of explosive anger, depression, killing animals




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    What we know about the suspected Florida school shooter



    Nikolas Cruz, 19, is the man suspected of fatally shooting at least 17 people at a South Florida high school on Feb. 14. Here's what you should know. (The Washington Post)
    by Kevin Sullivan, William Wan and Julie Tate February 15 Email the author
    PARKLAND, Fla. — The killing began with the squirrels. As a fourth-grader, Nikolas Cruz would try to bloody them with his pellet gun. Then he started going after chickens.
    By the time Cruz was a teenager, he was sneaking into his neighbors’ yard across the street and trying to get his dogs to attack their baby potbelly pigs.
    One resident watched him take long sticks to rabbit holes, ramming them down as hard as possible to kill any creatures trapped inside.
    Some in the affluent neighborhood where Cruz grew up said they called authorities on him frequently. Every few weeks, it seemed, police cruisers were pulling up to the teenager’s house to sort out the latest complaint.
    In recent years, the behavior got worse. Cruz became more isolated, sitting on his own at the school bus stop, sneering at neighbors, withdrawing even from his younger brother, friends and classmates said.
    Some who knew Cruz cut ties in part because of his unnerving and scary Instagram posts and photographs, including one showing a gun’s laser sight pointed at a neighborhood street. Another appeared to show a dead frog’s bloodied body.

    This photo posted on the Instagram account of Nikolas Cruz shows a weapon being held. Cruz was charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder on Thursday, Feb. 15, 2018. (AP/AP)
    Others saw a teenager trying to work through a dark period of his life and tried to help. In short order, Cruz was expelled from school, lost his mother to pneumonia and slunk into a depression.
    A friend from his former high school took him in. His parents gave Cruz their guest bedroom, got him a job and drove him to an alternative school every day to work on his GED.
    But no one — not those who feared him nor those who sympathized — glimpsed the full malevolence brewing inside Cruz’s heart until Valentine’s Day, when police say he walked into a suburban South Florida high school and carried out one of the nation’s deadliest school shootings.
    'People were afraid of him'
    Cruz was adopted at age 2 along with his 2-month-old brother, Zachary, by Lynda and Roger Cruz, friends and relatives said. Relatives said Nikolas and Zachary shared a biological mother but have different fathers.

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    Mother who took in accused gunman 'never would have let him into their house' if she knew anything



    Jim Lewis, the attorney representing the family who took in the Fla. shooting suspect, said that the family noticed noticed nothing out of the ordinary. (Alice Li/The Washington Post)
    Their adoptive father died of a heart attack when they were young, leaving Lynda to raise the two boys on her own.
    “Lynda was very close to them,” said her sister-in-law, Barbara Kumbatovic. “She put a lot of time and effort into those boys, trying to give them a good life and upbringing.”

    Zachary often seemed quiet and content to follow Nikolas’s lead. But Nikolas was moody, prone to an explosive temper and at times seemed to delight in antagonizing others.
    “People were afraid of him,” said Brody Speno, 19, who grew up on the same block.
    “Just about everybody on this part of the street had a run-in with him,” said longtime neighbor Malcolm Roxburgh, who lived just three houses down.
    His hostility stuck out in this calm, well-to-do neighborhood of manicured lawns and sprawling tony homes.
    Cruz picked fights with other kids. He stole people’s mail. He threw rocks and coconuts and vandalized property, neighbors said. He lurked at late hours along drainage ditches running along the back yards of their houses. One woman said she caught him peeking into her bedroom window. Another caught him stealing their bike.
    “Lynda dealt with it like most parents did. She was probably too good to him,” said Kumbatovic. “She made a beautiful home for them. She put a lot of effort and time into their schooling, their recreation, whatever they needed. . . . She went over and above, because she needed to compensate for being a single parent.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey Nobody View Post
    Sure he was, red flags were everywhere, do a bit of reading before posting in ignorance.

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    Fla. shooting suspect had a history of explosive anger, depression, killing animals




    1:26

    What we know about the suspected Florida school shooter



    Nikolas Cruz, 19, is the man suspected of fatally shooting at least 17 people at a South Florida high school on Feb. 14. Here's what you should know. (The Washington Post)
    by Kevin Sullivan, William Wan and Julie Tate February 15 Email the author
    PARKLAND, Fla. — The killing began with the squirrels. As a fourth-grader, Nikolas Cruz would try to bloody them with his pellet gun. Then he started going after chickens.
    By the time Cruz was a teenager, he was sneaking into his neighbors’ yard across the street and trying to get his dogs to attack their baby potbelly pigs.
    One resident watched him take long sticks to rabbit holes, ramming them down as hard as possible to kill any creatures trapped inside.
    Some in the affluent neighborhood where Cruz grew up said they called authorities on him frequently. Every few weeks, it seemed, police cruisers were pulling up to the teenager’s house to sort out the latest complaint.
    In recent years, the behavior got worse. Cruz became more isolated, sitting on his own at the school bus stop, sneering at neighbors, withdrawing even from his younger brother, friends and classmates said.
    Some who knew Cruz cut ties in part because of his unnerving and scary Instagram posts and photographs, including one showing a gun’s laser sight pointed at a neighborhood street. Another appeared to show a dead frog’s bloodied body.

    This photo posted on the Instagram account of Nikolas Cruz shows a weapon being held. Cruz was charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder on Thursday, Feb. 15, 2018. (AP/AP)
    Others saw a teenager trying to work through a dark period of his life and tried to help. In short order, Cruz was expelled from school, lost his mother to pneumonia and slunk into a depression.
    A friend from his former high school took him in. His parents gave Cruz their guest bedroom, got him a job and drove him to an alternative school every day to work on his GED.
    But no one — not those who feared him nor those who sympathized — glimpsed the full malevolence brewing inside Cruz’s heart until Valentine’s Day, when police say he walked into a suburban South Florida high school and carried out one of the nation’s deadliest school shootings.
    'People were afraid of him'
    Cruz was adopted at age 2 along with his 2-month-old brother, Zachary, by Lynda and Roger Cruz, friends and relatives said. Relatives said Nikolas and Zachary shared a biological mother but have different fathers.

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    Mother who took in accused gunman 'never would have let him into their house' if she knew anything



    Jim Lewis, the attorney representing the family who took in the Fla. shooting suspect, said that the family noticed noticed nothing out of the ordinary. (Alice Li/The Washington Post)
    Their adoptive father died of a heart attack when they were young, leaving Lynda to raise the two boys on her own.
    “Lynda was very close to them,” said her sister-in-law, Barbara Kumbatovic. “She put a lot of time and effort into those boys, trying to give them a good life and upbringing.”

    Zachary often seemed quiet and content to follow Nikolas’s lead. But Nikolas was moody, prone to an explosive temper and at times seemed to delight in antagonizing others.
    “People were afraid of him,” said Brody Speno, 19, who grew up on the same block.
    “Just about everybody on this part of the street had a run-in with him,” said longtime neighbor Malcolm Roxburgh, who lived just three houses down.
    His hostility stuck out in this calm, well-to-do neighborhood of manicured lawns and sprawling tony homes.
    Cruz picked fights with other kids. He stole people’s mail. He threw rocks and coconuts and vandalized property, neighbors said. He lurked at late hours along drainage ditches running along the back yards of their houses. One woman said she caught him peeking into her bedroom window. Another caught him stealing their bike.
    “Lynda dealt with it like most parents did. She was probably too good to him,” said Kumbatovic. “She made a beautiful home for them. She put a lot of effort and time into their schooling, their recreation, whatever they needed. . . . She went over and above, because she needed to compensate for being a single parent.”
    And yet he bought an AR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey Nobody View Post
    Liberals buy the MSM narrative that successful defensive gun use does not exist. Keep drinking the blue kool aide.
    Because the one thing you want to do in an active shooter situation, is run around with a weapon in your hand... so you look exactly like the person the armed forces storming in are looking for. So smart.

    The students on their way to safety are lined up in single file, with their hands over their heads, so the shooter best possible can not try to leave premise alongside of them... and you want a handful of volunteers face incoming police with a gun in their hands. .
    The right wingers here at PH sure needed you for support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    Because the one thing you want to do in an active shooter situation, is run around with a weapon in your hand... so you look exactly like the person the armed forces storming in are looking for. So smart.

    The students on their way to safety are lined up in single file, with their hands over their heads, so the shooter best possible can not try to leave premise alongside of them... and you want a handful of volunteers face incoming police with a gun in their hands. .
    The right wingers here at PH sure needed you for support.
    He walked out with students and was found over a mile away. If you found yourself in a mass shooting, would you rather hide and cower in fear or have a gun and a chance?

    I am amazed at the liberals that own guns but have no confidence in their ability to use one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    And yet he bought an AR.
    What does that tell you? *hint* the laws and policies in place were not enforced.

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