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    Truancy laws

    This is something that got me interested.

    This is from 2012, but, a good article anyway:

    Did you ever skip school as a kid? Chances are, even if you were a great student you probably showed up late for class once in a while, skipped class or took the day off. No big deal, right?

    Well, you might think a little differently about skipping class if you knew you could go to jail for it.

    Jail time and heavy fines for truancy (defined as "being intentionally absent from compulsory schooling") are becoming more common in some parts of the U.S.

    In Texas, for example, students can be fined or even face time behind bars if they are repeatedly late for class without a valid medical excuse.

    Back in May, a 17-year-old honour student in Houston named Diane Tran was jailed for 24 hours and fined $100 for missing class, despite explaining to the judge that both of her parents had divorced and moved away, and she was working two jobs to support her siblings.

    The Atlantic suggests that "thousands of students and their parents are regularly churned through similar courts without public scrutiny of the process, its costs, or its effectiveness."

    In Canada, we have our own truancy laws. In 2010, Manitoba raised the "truancy age" (the youngest you can be before voluntarily leaving school) to 18, from 16.
    The decision brought the province in line with Ontario and New Brunswick, who made the switch to 18 back in 2006.

    Other provinces, including Alberta and Nova Scotia, have also considered raising the truancy age in order to encourage more kids to get a high school diploma.
    A resolution from the public school division in Edmonton read "high school completion is a minimum expectation for success in our global society."

    But in this country, enforcement is less likely - in Manitoba, judges can fine truant students up to $500, but Winnipeg school trustee Mike Babinsky doesn't remember a single fine being handed out in the last 15 years: "For you to go do the investigation in regards to the child actually dropping out and actually taking it to the courthouse and getting representation ... it's not worth it."

    In the U.S., enforcement isn't a problem. Dallas alone has five truancy courts (the first was founded in 2003), and their only job is to process cases of absent students. And in L.A., school police handed out 33,500 tickets to allegedly truant students between 2009 and 2011.

    But some observers don't think using the threat of legal action is the ideal way to get kids back to school, especially kids who are most at risk.

    A 2003 study by Kenneth Adams, funded by the National Institute of Justice, surveyed the research and found that enforcement of some anti-truancy laws, like daytime curfews, can "needlessly add to the criminal histories of some juveniles."
    George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight | Should Kids Go To Jail For Skipping School?

    This is seriously weird to me.

    Arresting kids for skipping school???

    I've done that, in Russia and in Canada, and never got arrested for it, thank God lol

    In Canada, according to the above, the worst you can get for it, is a fine, in some provinces.

    In Russia, it's more complex.

    Police juvenile units there have special lists of kids to keep under close monitoring, which means regular interviews and such

    and it also means you have to go to a special class at school, with a cop "teacher", where they basically try to set you straight in life

    "The List" though is for seriously troubled kids, I am talking actual juvenile offenders, gang members and such, kids guilty of far more serious shit than just skipping a fucking class...

    Also, any juveniles, on the list or not, seen drinking in public, for example, can be detained, because it is illegal for a minor to even have alcohol on them


    And plenty of communities now have curfews, for young people, so that the underaged are not allowed to be out in the streets past certain hours, and police can detain them if come across them

    They can then either be taken home to their parents, or, if don't want to go home, say, because the situation there is crap (and one rarely sees kids from NICE families out and about after dark, eh?), they spend that night in the holding room at the police station.

    But this is at night.

    Nobody, even there, no young people, even in Putin's ever authoritarian regime, get arrested for skipping class.

    In fact, legally, in Russia, you can fucking drop out of school after you are 15, if don't want to go there anymore

    I guess, the way the government there sees it, it's your fucking life, your future to throw away.

    After all, the Armed Forces always need conscripts, ya know. If gym class at school couldn't make a man out of you, a couple years in the Navy will fix that real quick



    Not too mention that a population that is too smart and educated would no longer be affected by their dumbass propaganda on State TV

    Still, though... Arresting kids for truancy seems like a huge misuse of police resources IMHO

    Especially in the US, with all your REAL crime issues...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    This is something that got me interested.

    This is from 2012, but, a good article anyway:



    George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight | Should Kids Go To Jail For Skipping School?

    This is seriously weird to me.

    Arresting kids for skipping school???

    I've done that, in Russia and in Canada, and never got arrested for it, thank God lol

    In Canada, according to the above, the worst you can get for it, is a fine, in some provinces.

    In Russia, it's more complex.

    Police juvenile units there have special lists of kids to keep under close monitoring, which means regular interviews and such

    and it also means you have to go to a special class at school, with a cop "teacher", where they basically try to set you straight in life

    "The List" though is for seriously troubled kids, I am talking actual juvenile offenders, gang members and such, kids guilty of far more serious shit than just skipping a fucking class...

    Also, any juveniles, on the list or not, seen drinking in public, for example, can be detained, because it is illegal for a minor to even have alcohol on them


    And plenty of communities now have curfews, for young people, so that the underaged are not allowed to be out in the streets past certain hours, and police can detain them if come across them

    They can then either be taken home to their parents, or, if don't want to go home, say, because the situation there is crap (and one rarely sees kids from NICE families out and about after dark, eh?), they spend that night in the holding room at the police station.

    But this is at night.

    Nobody, even there, no young people, even in Putin's ever authoritarian regime, get arrested for skipping class.

    In fact, legally, in Russia, you can fucking drop out of school after you are 15, if don't want to go there anymore

    I guess, the way the government there sees it, it's your fucking life, your future to throw away.

    After all, the Armed Forces always need conscripts, ya know. If gym class at school couldn't make a man out of you, a couple years in the Navy will fix that real quick



    Not too mention that a population that is too smart and educated would no longer be affected by their dumbass propaganda on State TV

    Still, though... Arresting kids for truancy seems like a huge misuse of police resources IMHO

    Especially in the US, with all your REAL crime issues...
    Sounds like overkill to me. Perhaps doing community service to actually help citizens? Of course, the student is in danger of failing if cutting out often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    Sounds like overkill to me. Perhaps doing community service to actually help citizens? Of course, the student is in danger of failing if cutting out often.
    I think that should be the kid's own decision, you know? To fail, if he or she feels like it

    Not everyone is born to be a lawyer, doctor, or scientist. Or even to go to university.

    Schools focus way too much on "achievement" IMHO

    There should be more trades training, for example, for kids who are not academically inclined. Give them the skills that will get them through life without a fancy diploma

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