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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    How about Smokey and the Bandit?
    I only saw it once, and I get that the overall theme isn't political, but I'll bet you anything I could find at least two moments in the movie that are political. What role does class play in that film?

    But, OK, I get your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I only saw it once, and I get that the overall theme isn't political, but I'll bet you anything I could find at least two moments in the movie that are political. What role does class play in that film?

    Cool, thanks.
    My point is that you can find political themes in just about ANYTHING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    My point is that you can find political themes in just about ANYTHING.
    But art is almost inherently political. All of it. Some is more deliberately, self-reflectively political, but it's all political.

    The thing is, what conservatives mostly object to in this regard usually isn't art but celebrity. Smokey and the Bandit is remembered for the performances of Burt Reynolds, Sally Field, and Jackie Gleason. But the CONTENT (and thus the lion's share of anything political) comes from the screenwriters: James Lee Barrett, Charles Shyer and Alan Mandel. Last time I checked, no one really cared what screenwriters think or commented on what they said in the political press on a Monday morning after an awards show. It's celebrity that gives someone the power to make a political message in an artistic setting.

    What I'm saying is both that artistry is political and that what conservatives object to isn't really about art.
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    Presidents usually hold a couple of events per year at the White House on cultural endeavors that appeal to them. If you like James Taylor, you ask James Taylor to play at the WH (that's an example from West Wing). Does Trump do this at all? It doesn't have to be an installation exhibit in the East Room. He could invite a country artist to do a concert.

    Is the point of this thread only that the current president lacks the educated tastes of presidents before him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Presidents usually hold a couple of events per year at the White House on cultural endeavors that appeal to them. If you like James Taylor, you ask James Taylor to play at the WH (that's an example from West Wing). Does Trump do this at all? It doesn't have to be an installation exhibit in the East Room. He could invite a country artist to do a concert.

    Is the point of this thread only that the current president lacks the educated tastes of presidents before him?
    Perhaps a Ted Nugent concert is in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    But art is almost inherently political. All of it. Some is more deliberately, self-reflectively political, but it's all political.

    The thing is, what conservatives mostly object to in this regard usually isn't art but celebrity. Smokey and the Bandit is remembered for the performances of Burt Reynolds, Sally Field, and Jackie Gleason. But the CONTENT (and thus the lion's share of anything political) comes from the screenwriters: James Lee Barrett, Charles Shyer and Alan Mandel. Last time I checked, no one really cared what screenwriters think or commented on what they said in the political press on a Monday morning after an awards show. It's celebrity that gives someone the power to make a political message in an artistic setting.

    What I'm saying is both that artistry is political and that what conservatives object to isn't really about art.
    I know Jackie Gleason should have won an Oscar as Best Actor for that movie.

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    Performing artists must be a very insecure bunch if they fret about lack of validation from the White House. Maybe they will feel better after snorting another line of cocaine. Or whatever the "in" drug is these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    I know Jackie Gleason should have won an Oscar as Best Actor for that movie.

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    Oh please, it was entertaining but crude comedy. A step or two above a fart contest.
    He was a New Yorker and his fake southern accent sucked big time.

    Now, his performance as Minnesota fats in The Hustler opposite Paul Newman WAS a Oscar quality acting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Oh please, it was entertaining but crude comedy. A step or two above a fart contest.
    He was a New Yorker and his fake southern accent sucked big time.

    Now, his performance as Minnesota fats in The Hustler opposite Paul Newman WAS a Oscar quality acting.
    You got something against fart contests?

    And, his fake southern accent was part of the comedic routine.

    Agree that The Hustler was good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Performing artists must be a very insecure bunch if they fret about lack of validation from the White House. Maybe they will feel better after snorting another line of cocaine. Or whatever the "in" drug is these days.
    Oxy.

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