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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    You did not have to. Evolution is the only scientific theory out there. There is no competition. Unless you would like to suggest something ... ?
    Yes. And this is different from the case with gravity, where there are a few differing and competing theories of gravity, to explain the observed FACT of gravity. As I said earlier in this thread, we understand evolution MUCH better than we understand gravity----which surprises most non-scientists to hear. Gravity is still very mysterious in a lot of ways.
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    We need three thousand years of scientific advancement thrown out the window because Joe Sixpack does not agree with it? Tell the guys that built the Atomic Bomb that The Theory of Relativity, was just a theory....in fact, it is still just a theory, and now we have Hydrogen bombs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Humans evolving from primates that is reasonable. Take it back to the kingdom, phylum and show the evolution.
    OK, this is beginning to get a bit 'funny' at this point. First, you agreed that modern humans are closely related to Neanderthals, which was good, because they WERE our closest relatives. And then, you agreed that chimpanzees and bonobos are our closest living relatives, which was good, because that is indeed what the genetic evidence indicates. And yes, humans and chimpanzees and bonobos are all primates, members of the order Primates, which also includes, besides apes, the monkeys and the prosimians. The Primates are an order within the Class of Mammals. It is an interesting.....and still unresolved.....question as to which other mammals are the closest relatives of the Primates. This next link shows a myriad of phylogenetic trees of the mammals. They are not all identical, which shows that this is not all yet resolved. Within the next ten years, as we acquire more and more genomes and in much greater detail, there will likely be a growing consensus on this.

    Right now, MOST taxonomists (biologists who specialize in the classification of organisms) think that the closest relatives of Primates are the Orders Dermoptera (the flying lemurs, of which only two species exist) and Scandentia (the tree shrews), which were in fact once classified as primates. Some people think the Primates are closely related to bats (Chiroptera); others disagree.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...mals&FORM=IGRE

    Do you agree that all mammals are related, and descended from a common ancestor, Thor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    OK, this is beginning to get a bit 'funny' at this point. First, you agreed that modern humans are closely related to Neanderthals, which was good, because they WERE our closest relatives. And then, you agreed that chimpanzees and bonobos are our closest living relatives, which was good, because that is indeed what the genetic evidence indicates. And yes, humans and chimpanzees and bonobos are all primates, members of the order Primates, which also includes, besides apes, the monkeys and the prosimians. The Primates are an order within the Class of Mammals. It is an interesting.....and still unresolved.....question as to which other mammals are the closest relatives of the Primates. This next link shows a myriad of phylogenetic trees of the mammals. They are not all identical, which shows that this is not all yet resolved. Within the next ten years, as we acquire more and more genomes and in much greater detail, there will likely be a growing consensus on this.

    Right now, MOST taxonomists (biologists who specialize in the classification of organisms) think that the closest relatives of Primates are the Orders Dermoptera (the flying lemurs, of which only two species exist) and Scandentia (the tree shrews), which were in fact once classified as primates. Some people think the Primates are closely related to bats (Chiroptera); others disagree.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...mals&FORM=IGRE

    Do you agree that all mammals are related, and descended from a common ancestor, Thor?
    Come up with the solid evidence. Those tree of life, we all saw back in junior high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    You did not have to. Evolution is the only scientific theory out there. There is no competition. Unless you would like to suggest something ... ?
    AS you take evolution further back in time, your reliance on speculation and theory far out paces solid evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    AS you take evolution further back in time, your reliance on speculation and theory far out paces solid evidence.
    You are making things up. Your desire to disbelieve science is irrelevant.

    There is no competing scientific theory in any case - unless, as I said, you would like to suggest something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Humans evolving from primates that is reasonable. Take it back to the kingdom, phylum and show the evolution.

    The original objections to evolution were by people who denied the possibility that humans evolved from more primitive primates. If you accept the human-primates link, you have already overcome 99 percent of the objection to evolution. I don't understand what idea you are trying to resist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Come up with the solid evidence. Those tree of life, we all saw back in junior high.
    See Robert Urbanek's post #47 just above. It is, indeed, hard to understand what you are proposing....or hypothesizing....here. You seem to be admitting that all primates might have a common ancestor, at some point in the past. Paleontologists would estimate that that common ancestor of all primates would have lived some 60 million years ago, by the way....not TOO long after the cataclysm that doomed MOST of the creatures we call the dinosaurs. [This gets confusing, because birds really ARE dinosaurs, but that's a topic for a whole different thread.] So, what, are you supposing some Creator seeded the Earth at that point with common ancestors of most of the mammalian groups we see today? This seems very weird and contrived. Did that Creator deliberately kill off the dinosaurs? Decide that they were a failed experiment?

    There are two groups of mammals that are RATHER different from the rest. More 'primitive' in many ways. One is the marsupials, and you know some of them: the kangaroos and wombats of Australia and New Guinea, and a few others, like the opposums of North America. Some very recently extinct, like the Tasmanian wolf or thylacine----I would like to see if we can resurrect that species. MOST of the marsupials are found, well, in Australasia. WHY, Thor? Then there are the most 'primitive' mammals of all, the monotremes, the echidna and the VERY weird platypus. The platypus is SO weird that Europeans thought it was a hoax when the first few carcasses were sent back to Europe from Australia. The platypus is a weird mosaic of reptilian and mammalian features, Thor. It is a mammal that LAYS EGGS. WHY, Thor? Is your God playing JOKES on us? Deliberately trying to confuse us?


    No, Thor. The platypus is OVERWHELMING evidence of an evolutionary link between mammals and reptiles. It is a LIVING FOSSIL.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    The platypus is SO weird that Europeans thought it was a hoax when the first few carcasses were sent back to Europe from Australia. The platypus is a weird mosaic of reptilian and mammalian features, Thor. It is a mammal that LAYS EGGS. WHY, Thor? Is your God playing JOKES on us? Deliberately trying to confuse us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Oh, man! That's HILARIOUS!! I've NEVER seen that before! Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! A million thanks for that!
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