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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    No one knows what the first living organism was on earth. No one knows how it came into existence. The fossil record is limited to explain the multitude of species.
    No-one knows where it came from, (there are various theories) but we are fairly certain of the earliest life (slime is pretty close

    " The history of life on Earth began about 3.8 billion years ago, initially with single-celled prokaryotic cells, such as bacteria. ..."

    BBC Nature - History of life on Earth

    Evolution is the process by which that life developed into what we see today. The fossil record supports the fact and theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    No one knows what the first living organism was on earth. No one knows how it came into existence. The fossil record is limited to explain the multitude of species.
    Granted, we probably never WILL know just what the first living organism was on earth, certainly not WHERE it first came into existence. But we may be able to get at least some hints as to what its genome would have looked like, from careful analysis of more and more genomes of living organisms. We can use the awesomely growing power of supercomputers to construct the most parsimonious phylogenetic trees to trace back to the presumed last common ancestor of all living organisms. We can also supplement this with an approach that is being taken by Craig Ventner, the same guy who was the first to publish the full human genome; he is figuring out the minimal genes necessary to have a living and reproducing organism. In other words, what is the smallest number of genes that you could have and still be able to have an organism that could make copies of itself? I think he has in fact succeeded at doing that. So origins-of-life research is proceeding along a few different lines of attack, Thor.

    This is a scientific problem that WILL be cracked, in essence, meaning that we will know what conditions are likely to lead to the emergence of life, on other worlds. No, we will never know EXACTLY where or when life first emerged on Earth, but we'll have a pretty damned GOOD idea of what that first organism looked like, in terms of its genes. Within 20 years, we will have that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friday13 View Post
    Since this is Arizona, they will no doubt want to teach the creation story of the Hopi:


    The fourth act of creation with which the Creator charged Sotuknang was the creation of life. Sotuknang went to the world that was to first host life and there he created Spider Woman, and he gave her the power to create life. First Spider Woman took some earth and mixed it with saliva to make two beings. Over them she sang the Creation Song, and they came to life. She instructed one of them, Poqanghoya, to go across the earth and solidify it. She instructed the other, Palongawhoya, to send out sound to resonate through the earth, so that the earth vibrated with the energy of the Creator. Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya were despatched to the poles of the earth to keep it rotating.

    Then Spider Woman made all the plants, the flowers, the bushes, and the trees. Likewise she made the birds and animals, again using earth and singing the Creation Song. When all this was done, she made human beings, using yellow, red, white, and black earth mixed with her saliva. Singing the Creation Song, she made four men, and then in her own form she made four women. At first they had a soft spot in their foreheads, and although it solidified, it left a space through which they could hear the voice of Sotuknang and their Creator. Because these people could not speak, Spider Woman called on Sotuknang, who gave them four languages. His only instructions were for them to respect their Creator and to live in harmony with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You need to brush up on what a scientific theory is.
    An amoeba evolving into a human being doesn't have the evidence trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Since this is Arizona, they will no doubt want to teach the creation story of the Hopi:
    Why not Diné Bahaneʼ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    No one knows what the first living organism was on earth. No one knows how it came into existence. The fossil record is limited to explain the multitude of species.
    Which doesn't negate evolution and is no reason to not teach evolution in science courses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    An amoeba evolving into a human being doesn't have the evidence trail.
    Which PARTICULAR part of the presumed chain of ancestors are you disputing? Are you disputing that a single-celled ancestor can evolve into a multi-cellular organism? That WAS one of the bigger steps in the history of life, no doubt! We can talk about that, if you like. Or is it the Cambrian Explosion that bothers you? That's a big bugaboo for a lot of people, but we understand it a lot better today than we did twenty years ago. Or the transition from fishes to amphibians? There, too, the picture is much clearer than it was only twenty years ago; paleontologists have been hard at work on that one! And the amphibians into reptiles transition, too. So, tell us: which part of the whole thing seems to bother you the most, and is where you insist something magical, something outside of nature must have happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    One creation myth is as good as any other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    An amoeba evolving into a human being doesn't have the evidence trail.
    It's not "an amoeba evolving into a human being." It's life evolving from single celled organisms to more complex ones over millions of years. If single celled organisms don't evolve, explain why penicillin doesn't work so well any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's not "an amoeba evolving into a human being." It's life evolving from single celled organisms to more complex ones over millions of years. If single celled organisms don't evolve, explain why penicillin doesn't work so well any more.
    Yeah. Or explain why we have to deal with new strains of the flu virus, and have to develop new flu vaccines, each and every year.
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