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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    So, here's the opinion. The analysis of the Due Process challenge (and the Court's explanation of its ultimate conclusion as to the "fundamental right" question) begins on p. 22. It is a thorough discussion, including a review of SCOTUS precedent. And it is going to come across as a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo to anyone but the geekiest of constitutional law scholars. I've read and studied constitutional law cases for the better part of 30 years and my eyes still glaze over when I try to wrap my brain around substantive due process and negative vs. positive "rights". I get what the Judge is saying (he's not just pulling this out of thin air) but I also get why, when it's distilled to the most salient point, many will object to the conclusion he reaches. Because it seems cold. And runs counter to our notions re: education and literacy. He's right that the SCOTUS has not held literacy as a fundamental right. They've tiptoed up to and around the question to this point. Perhaps this case will be appealed and they'll be asked to revisit it.
    Crap. Now I probably need to read at least part of the thing so I understand what you just said. As if I have time for that...

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    Who needs reading and writing anymore, technology will be able to translate it for you into the spoken word. News organizations already use computer generated articles. You will just tell the app what you want, it writes, it edits, it transmits, and then translates to the spoken word in any language.
    If you do not learn to read and write, chances are sophisticated language and thought processes will be beyond you irrespective of technological advances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Who needs reading and writing anymore, technology will be able to translate it for you into the spoken word. News organizations already use computer generated articles. You will just tell the app what you want, it writes, it edits, it transmits, and then translates to the spoken word in any language.
    I really worry about that. Look at the number of Youtube videos that are used as links and sources now. And the popularity of podcasts.

    I can read and comprehend much faster than someone can speak at a speed I can understand so I think it's inefficient as hell. But I often fear I'm just an old fart shouting at kids to get off my lawn. It seems to be the way the world is going. And it's wrong IMO.
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    Declaring literacy a "right" would mean an endless stream of wacky, money wasting programs that enrich a few, and would substantially result in the same literacy rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Declaring literacy a "right" would mean an endless stream of wacky, money wasting programs that enrich a few, and would substantially result in the same literacy rates.
    Or we could just put kids into public schools and educate them. I realize education (among other things) for anyone other than financial elites is anathema to conservatives these days, but your objection simply makes no sense.

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    "If you do not learn to read and write, chances are sophisticated language and thought processes will be beyond you irrespective of technological advances." lol and that won't happen because...? The technological push to make super smart humans via DNA is logically likely to conclude it's also beneficial to have super dumb people too, which could lead to learning reading, writing and arithmetic being seen as subversive, but novelists have covered all this already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    "If you do not learn to read and write, chances are sophisticated language and thought processes will be beyond you irrespective of technological advances." lol and that won't happen because...? The technological push to make super smart humans via DNA is logically likely to conclude it's also beneficial to have super dumb people too, which could lead to learning reading, writing and arithmetic being seen as subversive, but novelists have covered all this already.
    None of that makes any sense. Have some coffee...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    None of that makes any sense. Have some coffee...
    A prophet is unknown in his hometown, or something like that. But covfefe sounds like a plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post

    Access to education may be considered a right under international law, but it isn't guaranteed to US citizens under our Constitution. Without legislation, we'd have no public education system, and far too many of us, I'm afraid, would be just fine with that. I'm old enough to remember when our public education system was cherished by most Americans, but that was before the courts stepped in and insisted that it must be equitably provided to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    While I do agree, I think amendments would be necessary to really make it stick. Otherwise what prevents a new crop of judges from overruling it?
    Education as a right is included in the constitutions of 174 countries.

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