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Thread: Judge says there's no fundamental right to learn to read and write

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Education as a right is included in the constitutions of 174 countries.
    And therein can lie a problem. It should be access to education must be a right. But without some degree of responsibility of the recipient, either directly or via the parent/guardian, it creates what IMO is a very negative effect on the overall ability of public schools to do what they are supposed to do.

    I know that in this day of the participation certificate, saying that is very non-PC, but my personal experience and what I have seen in my children are anecdotal proof.

    It was enough to cause the former Miss RNG and her husband to pay money they can't really afford to put my grandkids in a private school that isn't encumbered with that responsibility. And I eagerly help them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yeah... That's the part that has become obsolete. Replace the "If you work hard and smart, obey the law, and don't make stupid decisions" with "if you are born into a wealthy family and/or are unusually lucky", and you may have something that is relevant in today's America.
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    Judge is correct.
    It not only is a "right," but it's also a demand. To the point where I cannot 'opt out' should I feel it to be unnecessary.

    Do you really want people to be 'less educated?' I believe that the more education a person has, the less dangerous he is to the rest of society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangecat View Post
    Not the half that is true.
    If the goal of the "half truth" is to mislead, then it is a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    It not only is a "right," but it's also a demand. To the point where I cannot 'opt out' should I feel it to be unnecessary.

    Do you really want people to be 'less educated?' I believe that the more education a person has, the less dangerous he is to the rest of society.
    More powerless to an autocratic rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Just curious. What are some examples of school administrators being "hamstrung by bureaucracy"?
    Chiefly, not being allowed to do what it takes to maintain order, or to hold students accountable for their actions.

    Also being required to use curriculum that may not work for the school population, or maybe not work at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    I didn't say every teacher is failing to do their job but some are. Confronted with students who fail to learn, liberals refuse to blame students, parents, teachers or locally-elected school board members or their appointees. Their default position: blame white politicians in the state capital.
    Examples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    It not only is a "right," but it's also a demand. To the point where I cannot 'opt out' should I feel it to be unnecessary.

    Do you really want people to be 'less educated?' I believe that the more education a person has, the less dangerous he is to the rest of society.
    Just because the government mandates something doesn't make it a right. Your rights stop at another person's obligation to provide them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangecat View Post
    Just because the government mandates something doesn't make it a right. Your rights stop at another person's obligation to provide them.
    Should your child be vaccinated if not being vaccinated puts other children at risk? Should you be able to burn trash in the city? How about raise pigs inside your home? If doing your own thing infringes upon others, than it is not a matter of a 'personal liberty,' rather it's a matter of safety and/or public welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Should your child be vaccinated if not being vaccinated puts other children at risk? Should you be able to burn trash in the city? How about raise pigs inside your home? If doing your own thing infringes upon others, than it is not a matter of a 'personal liberty,' rather it's a matter of safety and/or public welfare.
    Your herd of questions has no bearing on my assertion.

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