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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    OK.

    Now we got 2 weeks till the election, right?

    Let's see how accurate the polls are.

    They can't be any worse than our American polls...can they?
    They are normally rather precise...... But anyway it seems very difficult for Ms.le Pen to have a chance to win the election. the polls are Something like 62% for Macron aqnd 37% for Le Pen and what can influence voters during the next 2 weeks ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    They are normally rather precise...... But anyway it seems very difficult for Ms.le Pen to have a chance to win the election. the polls are Something like 62% for Macron aqnd 37% for Le Pen and what can influence voters during the next 2 weeks ?
    That's what people said about our polls, too.

    Then the US election gave us some reality.

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    Have we seen a Brexit yet?
    I heard from a little company in the South-West of Germany, which has since 40 years good contacts in England. Looks like they will have to close their business in England: Sales slump as a result of a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy of the Brexit. Not an easy decision, because 25 Brits will lose their qualified jobs in this case. And to qualify in a better future 25 people again will cost to much money. The Brexit is a reality. Universities need for example sometimes decades for common projects with other universities - so German universities now don't look any longer for partners in England. I hope this is not the begin of a growing avalanche, which could cause in the end a worldwide depression. Oh - and not to forget: The business of the exchange in Frankfurt should had been moved to London. This was forbidden now from the European Union, because it makes no sense to have the center of the biggest European exchange in London.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    I'll go with the prediction of William Butler Yeats:

    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    That's what people said about our polls, too.

    Then the US election gave us some reality.
    It is less difficult to have precise polls in France because at the difference of the US. because you do not vote for grand electors but directly for the candidates.... So there nothing like in an American state where the winner takes all grand electors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    Apparently things move really slow in the UK.

    It could be as much 18 months.
    They sure do. I'm thinking it would be nice, if Frexit becomes a referendum of sorts in the election, if the French could see what the effect of Brexit will be on Britain before they decide if this is what they want for themselves.

    Looks like that won't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    They sure do. I'm thinking it would be nice, if Frexit becomes a referendum of sorts in the election, if the French could see what the effect of Brexit will be on Britain before they decide if this is what they want for themselves.

    Looks like that won't happen.
    Its weird as it looks like both Macron and LePen are considered populist outsiders. Neither are what we would call establishment. Seems the entire world is going against that.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ection/524052/

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Its weird as it looks like both Macron and LePen are considered populist outsiders. Neither are what we would call establishment. Seems the entire world is going against that.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ection/524052/
    Macron is sorta populist-lite. He calls his movement a progressive transpolitical force to bring unity to France.

    I like his plans to move France to a more Nordic economic model, and his support for the EU and for internationalism are huge upsides.

    It's really going to be an election between whether France will commit itself to internationalism, openness, and progressivism, or recede back into itself with nationalism, nativism, and isolationism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDozer View Post
    Macron is sorta populist-lite. He calls his movement a progressive transpolitical force to bring unity to France.

    I like his plans to move France to a more Nordic economic model, and his support for the EU and for internationalism are huge upsides.

    It's really going to be an election between whether France will commit itself to internationalism, openness, and progressivism, or recede back into itself with nationalism, nativism, and isolationism.
    Agree although I suspect his pro trade stance could hurt him with some populists. I saw some unions on the news that were hoping he would abandon his trade stance or at least downplay it before the 7th. Trade and immigration seem to be the big issues nowadays for the west.

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    Agree although I suspect his pro trade stance could hurt him with some populists. I saw some unions on the news that were hoping he would abandon his trade stance or at least downplay it before the 7th. Trade and immigration seem to be the big issues nowadays for the west.
    Strong unions will be important, and if he plans to move to a Nordic economic model, he'll need to make sure unions have a very solid position. One of the reasons it works so well is a high level of unionization, and setup where you have collective bargaining between national trade unions and national industry organizations that represent workers and companies respectively.

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