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    Theresa May's Coalition Will Undo The Good Friday Agreement?

    The Good Friday Agreement is the 1992 peace treaty under which the Irish gained control of Ireland (apart from Northern Ireland) and thereby ended decades, even centuries, of terror attacks on the UK, especially England.

    Some already feared that Brexit would undo the Agreement and reignite the hostilities, as the Irish still want a unified Ireland.



    Added to this is the concern that the Tories are looking to DUP, a very conservative Northern Ireland party, to form the coalition needed to keep the PM position for Theresa May.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-team-dup-live

    Jonathan Powell, the chief negotiator in Northern Ireland between 1997 and 2007, has grave doubts about the likelihood of success for the Tory / DUP confidence agreement. He believes the deal puts decades of hard work in Ireland at risk:

    If Mrs May depends on the DUP – Ian Paisley’s party, not the old Official Unionists, who used in the past to work with the Tories – to form a government, it will be impossible for it to be even-handed. The other parties in Northern Ireland will know that the unionists can pull the plug at any stage and hold the government hostage.

    If the British government cannot play the role of mediator it is not obvious who can. A previous attempt to use a distinguished American diplomat failed because only the British and Irish governments have the levers to cajole the parties into an agreement. Failure to reach agreement will catapult Northern Ireland into a serious crisis and back on to our front pages, where it has been happily absent for 20 years.

    I know that Mrs May is desperate to find some way to cling on to power in Westminster, but I appeal to her to reconsider doing so propped up by one side from Northern Ireland politics. Doing so would risk undermining 20 years of hard work in trying to reach a lasting settlement.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-team-dup-live

    In tomorrow’s Observer, Henry McDonald has more on the likely demands of the DUP in entering the confidence and supply agreement with the Conservatives. He believes DUP leader Arlene Foster will extract a high price to help prop up Theresa May’s leadership.
    Included in the price Foster [leader of the DUP] will extract from the Conservatives, she will seek commitments from May that there will be no poll on Irish unity and that there will be no hard border with the south. Foster and her party did back Brexit last year but have publicly stated they are opposed to customs posts, border installations and roadblocks being reimposed when the split with Europe occurs.

    Her party may be unashamedly socially conservative but the DUP will avoid including any controversial social policies – such as opposition to gay marriage or abortion – in their “shopping list” of demands on the Tories, sources said yesterday.

    Instead, the party will argue that controversies such as gay marital equality and abortion can only be dealt with in a Northern Ireland context by the Stormont assembly in Belfast. Rather, the DUP will focus on insisting there are no new checks at English, Scottish or Welsh ports and airports on any citizens travelling from Northern Ireland into the UK after Brexit.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-team-dup-live

    What a fucking mess!

    Your thoughts?

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    The Irish make ISIS look like amateurs when it comes to terrorism.
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    Simplistically speaking. I doubt we would see a return to hostilities during the 70s. It is completely complex for me as a casual observer to make any pronouncements on how May's new government will govern.

    Seems to me that Brexit and economic and immigration issues with be in the forefront more than social issues like Gay marriage and abortion. I think Brexit and how the countries go forward is far more pressing...Not that the other two are not, but Brexit will effect far far more people in so many more ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    The Irish make ISIS look like amateurs when it comes to terrorism.
    The IRA targeted the Royal children, over and over. Couldn't wait to broadcast images of the little girls being tortured to death.

    They never got them, though. The British know a thing or two about coping with terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The IRA targeted the Royal children, over and over. Couldn't wait to broadcast images of the little girls being tortured to death.

    They never got them, though. The British know a thing or two about coping with terrorists.
    There were plenty of children dead on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The IRA targeted the Royal children, over and over. Couldn't wait to broadcast images of the little girls being tortured to death.

    They never got them, though. The British know a thing or two about coping with terrorists.
    Yes. They sat down with the political non-violent wing and negotiated liberty and independence for the oppressed. Then redpected that peace.

    20 years of peace followed. When individuals did engage in violence following the peace, they were dealt with legally, as individual criminals, and no other unrelated person who randomly shared their race or neighbourhood was punished for it.

    Its a grest model for how "teaching THEM a lesson" and "showing THEM how tough we are" causes decades of violence and "arresting those responsible and respecting the peace process" stops it cold.
    Last edited by Dr.Knuckles; 11th June 2017 at 08:38 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The IRA targeted the Royal children, over and over. Couldn't wait to broadcast images of the little girls being tortured to death.

    They never got them, though. The British know a thing or two about coping with terrorists.
    Not according to the "nobody can do it better than me" orange man in the Oval Office. He knows better than anyone how to do anything. Just ask him.

    How short some people's memories, how ignorant some people are of the past history of terrorism, including our president. But then again, he is not bothered by facts, figures, history and accuracy, he is rulled by 'it's all about me' image of himself (to himself) ego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    There were plenty of children dead on both sides.
    The Royal children were high-value targets. And I doubt the British killed many Irish children.

    To my knowledge, there were no British soliders going on their own, to murder entire villages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Not according to the "nobody can do it better than me" orange man in the Oval Office. He knows better than anyone how to do anything. Just ask him.

    How short some people's memories, how ignorant some people are of the past history of terrorism, including our president. But then again, he is not bothered by facts, figures, history and accuracy, he is rulled by 'it's all about me' image of himself (to himself) ego.
    And his mother was a Scottish immigrant! Did he never listen to her stories about the old country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    And I doubt the British killed many Irish children.
    Six people under 18 years of age were shot dead by British paratroopers on a single day.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

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