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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    Hah! That's actually a good analogy in more ways than one, because I remember hearing a Czech lady who studied in Moscow in 1968 say that throughout the Prague Spring period, Soviet media regularly talked about how Czechoslovakia was being threatened or even taken over by "fascist hordes," meaning the Prague Spring reformists. Then on August 22, after the USSR-led invasion of Czechoslovakia (which, amazingly, was the largest military operation in post-WWII Europe, according to what I've heard), her Russian friends sincerely congratulated her because "now your country is free again."

    But of course, we all know that "fascist" is a popular term to throw around.

    @bajisimaYou're right as well; it's probably been only a few countries who have won independence without breaking some laws, if not worse.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but when Czechoslovakia split into two nations, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, in 1993, that appears to have been the only time in modern history that a country split apart without blood being shed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but when Czechoslovakia split into two nations, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, in 1993, that appears to have been the only time in modern history that a country split apart without blood being shed.
    Yeah, it was an amicable divorce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    That's what the fascist clique behind the "referendum" want you to think, but it's not true.

    Catalunya already has independence in all but foreign affairs and defence. It's insane nationalism to burge=den themselves with the extra cost of being a country. (outside the EU)
    Can't they apply to rejoin the EU separately, after seceding? I guess Spain would probably do what they can to block them though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but when Czechoslovakia split into two nations, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, in 1993, that appears to have been the only time in modern history that a country split apart without blood being shed.
    Might have been, or at least we like to think that. It's certainly a rare phenomenon. Judging by your last name, you might be more interested in the matter than most.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Can't they apply to rejoin the EU separately, after seceding? I guess Spain would probably do what they can to block them though...
    Yes, but that would not go that easily EVEN IF the EU recognized them as a sovereign country first, and that doesn't seem very likely.

    At any rate, they plan to declare independence within the next few days.

    Catalonia’s President has claimed the autonomous region will declare independence from Spain “at the end of this week or the beginning of next”.

    Carles Puigdemont told The BBC that it would be "an error which changes everything", if the Spanish government were to take control of the region’s administration, although he admitted that there had been no contact with Madrid. The central government has described the referendum as illegal.

    Appealing for international mediation to help solve the crisis, he told the corporation that he disagreed with the European Commission’s statement that it was internal matter for Spain.
    In a rare nationwide address King Felipe launched a blistering attack Catalonia’s pro-independence regional government, accusing the secessionists of “breaking democratic principles” and trying to split up Spain.

    “Thanks to their irresponsible behaviour, those [Catalan] authorities have put the social identity of Catalonia and all Spain at risk,” he said.

    “They have shown contempt for the affection and feelings of solidarity which have united and will unite all Spaniards."
    Catalonia will declare independence in days, says region's president | The Independent
    Last edited by Helena; 4th October 2017 at 06:04 AM. Reason: typo
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