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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Exactly. It's everyday Americans, taking hard drugs.
    Its also ridiculously cheap. One of my friends daughter is currently undergoing addiction treatment and her mother asked her once out of frustration "why didn't you just smoke pot?" She said because it was way too expensive, pills are cheap. Heroin is cheap. Pot has blown out of sight around here and few kids even bother anymore.

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    The irony is that it is difficult for me to get hydrocodone or oxycodon for back pain, when it flares up. There does not seem to be a standard protocol for issuing pain meds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Went to 4 funerals in the last year of those we knew that died of overdoses. Horrific thing. Every single one of them got addicted through an injury where they were prescribed opioids and then the went into prescriptions and then over to heroin. Our doctors are to blame in my opinion. The saddest thing was one of the deaths was because a 16 year old girl was given an enormous prescription for painkillers when she had her wisdom teeth out. She took them all and couldn't stop. Led to harder and harder things. No reason for that doctor to have given a prescription like that. When I had my wisdom teeth out decades ago, the doctor told me to take OTC painkillers (Tylenol) and said it will get better with time.
    I don't get the attraction to opioids. I have taken them for post surgery pain control and dental pain control and never felt the need to continue their use after I healed. Never caught a buzz...or felt anything other than the loss of pain. Overdoses are becoming a real problem around here...ER's are noticing a significant increase over the last couple of years. My hospital gets quite a few of them..mostly because we have a sister rehab facility that is popular. The waiting list is over a month now to get a bed. I think Doctors were given bad advice several years ago, they were told, if a person has "real" pain, they will not become addicted. We now know that is not the case...and the damage has been done. Another problem, the folks who truly need them are having issues getting them...and to me, that is cruel. Some States are cracking down, Tenn has implemented a few stringent laws regarding controlled substances. My 89 year old Dad takes 2 Lortabs a day...one in the morning to get moving and one at night. At 89, you will definitely feel some pain. His dose has been the same for years. No more than two per day. He is required to get drug screens twice a year if he wants his RX refilled on a monthly basis. He was confused on the rationale of the drug test...and was afraid to take them anymore. The point of the drug test is to find opioids in the urine...if they are present, you are taking the RX yourself and not selling them. If he tested negative, he would be cut off.

    I think we need to look at addiction as a medical condition and not criminal. There has been some research about addictive personality and this could be the reason that some become addicted quickly and why some don't. When I fractured my ankle, I took a significant dose for over 2 months and did experience withdrawal at all. I forgot one day...and that was it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    More than firearms too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The irony is that it is difficult for me to get hydrocodone or oxycodon for back pain, when it flares up. There does not seem to be a standard protocol for issuing pain meds.
    That's just it, its not regulated or they don't abide by it. Personally I have seen that regular doctors and surgeons are skimpier with painkillers but dentists, orthopedists and geriatric doctors hand them out like candy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I don't get the attraction to opioids. I have taken them for post surgery pain control and dental pain control and never felt the need to continue their use after I healed. Never caught a buzz...or felt anything other than the loss of pain. Overdoses are becoming a real problem around here...ER's are noticing a significant increase over the last couple of years. My hospital gets quite a few of them..mostly because we have a sister rehab facility that is popular. The waiting list is over a month now to get a bed. I think Doctors were given bad advice several years ago, they were told, if a person has "real" pain, they will not become addicted. We now know that is not the case...and the damage has been done. Another problem, the folks who truly need them are having issues getting them...and to me, that is cruel. Some States are cracking down, Tenn has implemented a few stringent laws regarding controlled substances. My 89 year old Dad takes 2 Lortabs a day...one in the morning to get moving and one at night. At 89, you will definitely feel some pain. His dose has been the same for years. No more than two per day. He is required to get drug screens twice a year if he wants his RX refilled on a monthly basis. He was confused on the rationale of the drug test...and was afraid to take them anymore. The point of the drug test is to find opioids in the urine...if they are present, you are taking the RX yourself and not selling them. If he tested negative, he would be cut off.

    I think we need to look at addiction as a medical condition and not criminal. There has been some research about addictive personality and this could be the reason that some become addicted quickly and why some don't. When I fractured my ankle, I took a significant dose for over 2 months and did experience withdrawal at all. I forgot one day...and that was it.

    Addictive Personality: Do You Have One?

    This whole opioid crisis is also causing a rise in crime. We saw a massive jump here in just the last year. People are begging for money and breaking into homes to get it. One guy down the street broke into 3 neighbors houses just looking for cash. Thefts are up because they can sell stuff for money. I am seeing it more and more here each day. It really is staggering how quickly this got going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The irony is that it is difficult for me to get hydrocodone or oxycodon for back pain, when it flares up. There does not seem to be a standard protocol for issuing pain meds.
    Same here...I had to almost burst into tears when my wisdom teeth were pulled. I don't do well with tooth extractions and Tylenol or Advil does not help me. My doctor will only write for 10 when my diverticulitis flares...which requires me to pay 1.00 a pill with my copay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I gotta admit, my state had the PAINKILLER CLINICS all around the southern part of the state. Apparently we were shipping it out by the suitcase or carryon case loads. There were commercial flights in and out of Florida (MON mornings peak time) filled with 'mules' flying here, picking up their LEGAL scrips of 300 oxycontins 400 Xanxes (and a couple I don't remember the names of) and flying back to southern OH, KY, WV, TN and selling them on the street or wherever they sold them. Overdoses were rampant! It was so bad that the attorneys general of 3 or 4 of those states FILED lawsuits against FLORIDA.

    With this dagger hanging over their head and news story after news story pointing their fingers and shaming us, this POS governor and GOP legislature did away with the pain clinics but just a few years ago. (And many in the GOP put up a fight NOT to get rid of them).

    So now HEROIN has moved into those same exact regions and of course permeating New England and other places. Do not ask me why heroin is so much cheaper? I haven't a clue how and why. I've never tried heroin and from all accounts, this is not the kinda high I understand or would enjoy.

    So to answer your original question, why are they taking it? OR why are they dying from it? I don't have answer to either. And how the hell it is so easy to get is beyond me as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    This whole opioid crisis is also causing a rise in crime. We saw a massive jump here in just the last year. People are begging for money and breaking into homes to get it. One guy down the street broke into 3 neighbors houses just looking for cash. Thefts are up because they can sell stuff for money. I am seeing it more and more here each day. It really is staggering how quickly this got going.
    In Tenn...drug seekers watch the obituaries and if the age of the deceased is listed, they will break into the homes during the wake and funeral to steal pills. Older people are targets for this..they assume since you are old, you have these pills in larger quantities. My Dad had his prostate pills swiped from the seat of his car while grocery shopping!! Most do not lock any doors down south..but now he locks his car door. I worry that he may be attacked coming out of the local drug store...they sit in the parking lot waiting for vulnerable people. Addicts get desperate and will do anything. Being "dope sick" terrifies them. This makes them dangerous. In Kentucky, pill mills replaced the jobs that were lost in the mines. A addict will pay 80.00 a pill to ward off withdrawal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Went to 4 funerals in the last year of those we knew that died of overdoses. Horrific thing. Every single one of them got addicted through an injury where they were prescribed opioids and then the went into prescriptions and then over to heroin. Our doctors are to blame in my opinion. The saddest thing was one of the deaths was because a 16 year old girl was given an enormous prescription for painkillers when she had her wisdom teeth out. She took them all and couldn't stop. Led to harder and harder things. No reason for that doctor to have given a prescription like that. When I had my wisdom teeth out decades ago, the doctor told me to take OTC painkillers (Tylenol) and said it will get better with time.
    There was a story about those in Drug companies pushing Doctors to prescribe them for patients.

    My Doctor has a sign up. " Pharmacy Salesmen on a certain day." She told me she gives them short shifts on their drug pushing.

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