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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I have a very bad back and neck from years of abusing my body with drunken brawls, demanding sports, dangerous hard work, etc.
    My back pain is mostly or exclusively muscular, from multiple sprain/strains over the years. I ususally (not always) walk with a cane (and definitely for walking any significant distance). I have (or had, at my last MRI 8-1/2 years ago) some mildly herniated discs and one moderately herniated disc, but I don't know that they play into the pain I have.

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    Where do you live that these medicines are not being prescribed for you? That's very sad that you aren't being properly cared for.
    It's not so much "where" as "from whom." The VA is rather stingy on pain medication, and so I don't ask for them very often - maybe once per year or so, when the pain is intense and distracting to the point where I can't really function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Went to 4 funerals in the last year of those we knew that died of overdoses. Horrific thing. Every single one of them got addicted through an injury where they were prescribed opioids and then the went into prescriptions and then over to heroin. Our doctors are to blame in my opinion. The saddest thing was one of the deaths was because a 16 year old girl was given an enormous prescription for painkillers when she had her wisdom teeth out. She took them all and couldn't stop. Led to harder and harder things. No reason for that doctor to have given a prescription like that. When I had my wisdom teeth out decades ago, the doctor told me to take OTC painkillers (Tylenol) and said it will get better with time.
    4 funerals from overdoses in a year? Honestly, that blows my mind! I haven't heard of anyone from around here dying and I'm pretty sure I would have. It can't be access--I understand it it is everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    4 funerals from overdoses in a year? Honestly, that blows my mind! I haven't heard of anyone from around here dying and I'm pretty sure I would have. It can't be access--I understand it it is everywhere.
    Yes its pretty horrible. Two of them were my kids playmates when they were little and our families grew up together. The other two have been children of my friends. All of them under 30. Such a shame. We now have a program here called "safe stations" and it allows anyone addicted to walk into a fire station and ask for help. They will help get them in programs, discard any drugs and paraphernalia, secure funding and help in any way they can without the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Be careful... LOTS of cold remedies have acetaminophen, and taking too much will wreck your liver. Take safe doses of Tylenol for your headache, Cepacol for your sore throat, Mucinex for your cough, and Nyquil to help you sleep, and you just downed a fuckton of acetaminophen.

    When taking cold medicines, ALWAYS read the active ingredients, and keep the acetaminophen down to a maximum of about 3,000mg / day. For scale, a single, two-tablet dose of extra-strength Tylenol is 1,000mg.
    I like the zinc remedies best although a diabetic needs to ask their doctor first before taking even OTC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I don't get the attraction to opioids. I have taken them for post surgery pain control and dental pain control and never felt the need to continue their use after I healed. Never caught a buzz...or felt anything other than the loss of pain. Overdoses are becoming a real problem around here...ER's are noticing a significant increase over the last couple of years. My hospital gets quite a few of them..mostly because we have a sister rehab facility that is popular. The waiting list is over a month now to get a bed. I think Doctors were given bad advice several years ago, they were told, if a person has "real" pain, they will not become addicted. We now know that is not the case...and the damage has been done. Another problem, the folks who truly need them are having issues getting them...and to me, that is cruel. Some States are cracking down, Tenn has implemented a few stringent laws regarding controlled substances. My 89 year old Dad takes 2 Lortabs a day...one in the morning to get moving and one at night. At 89, you will definitely feel some pain. His dose has been the same for years. No more than two per day. He is required to get drug screens twice a year if he wants his RX refilled on a monthly basis. He was confused on the rationale of the drug test...and was afraid to take them anymore. The point of the drug test is to find opioids in the urine...if they are present, you are taking the RX yourself and not selling them. If he tested negative, he would be cut off.

    I think we need to look at addiction as a medical condition and not criminal. There has been some research about addictive personality and this could be the reason that some become addicted quickly and why some don't. When I fractured my ankle, I took a significant dose for over 2 months and did experience withdrawal at all. I forgot one day...and that was it.

    Addictive Personality: Do You Have One?
    Blame the DEA for this horrible spiral of addiction and deaths. What happens is the War on Drugs also becoming the War on Pain Patients. I have a perspective of this. My chronic pain from nerve damage, degenerative disc disease, to name a few issues that will haunt me until the day I die, means I will suffer until I die. I used to go to a Pain Management specialist, and it was the education from him that taught me much.

    Here is some info from an Attorney's webpage:
    Are physicians being wrongly convicted? | Eli D. Stutsman

    While there are some instances of bad Doctors out there, good doctors are terrified to help their patients, chronic pain or not. They avoid being unjustly accused by not prescribing pain meds at all.

    Because the DEA are so broad in their raids, and pain patients can't find help anymore, they tend to turn to the illegal sources. That is how they get addicted. Hydrocodone isn't cut the same way as street heroine, with additives like nicotine and bleached gatoraide to speed absorbtion and increased addictive properties. These people enter a world designed to help them spend and fail, and no drug pusher is going to order lab tests to make sure their customers aren't taking too much. In the end, the cause and effect is a disaster for all involved.

    Legalize cannabis, make it an over the counter at a pharmacy. Consider this... how many people die a year from Aspirin overdose? Taking 15 extra strength aspirin is a death sentence, but you don't see or hear of it happening. Or visit the Netherlands, where cannabis,, a great pain reducer, is legal. If deaths from addiction to regulated and taxed cannabis is a true a problem, it would be equal or worse than America, no?

    Netherlands Compared With The United States | Drug War Facts

    As for me, I don't use cannabis in Oklahoma because it's illegal. Kratom is my choice for now, and it does work well. No high, no buzz, just the ability to cope with the residual pain a lot better.
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    I saw a documentary where it showed a real epidemic in some of the small northeastern states especially with a mix of prescription drug abuse. That really surprised me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberdan View Post
    Blame the DEA for this horrible spiral of addiction and deaths. What happens is the War on Drugs also becoming the War on Pain Patients. I have a perspective of this. My chronic pain from nerve damage, degenerative disc disease, to name a few issues that will haunt me until the day I die, means I will suffer until I die. I used to go to a Pain Management specialist, and it was the education from him that taught me much.

    Here is some info from an Attorney's webpage:
    Are physicians being wrongly convicted? | Eli D. Stutsman

    While there are some instances of bad Doctors out there, good doctors are terrified to help their patients, chronic pain or not. They avoid being unjustly accused by not prescribing pain meds at all.

    Because the DEA are so broad in their raids, and pain patients can't find help anymore, they tend to turn to the illegal sources. That is how they get addicted. Hydrocodone isn't cut the same way as street heroine, with additives like nicotine and bleached gatoraide to speed absorbtion and increased addictive properties. These people enter a world designed to help them spend and fail, and no drug pusher is going to order lab tests to make sure their customers aren't taking too much. In the end, the cause and effect is a disaster for all involved.

    Legalize cannabis, make it an over the counter at a pharmacy. Consider this... how many people die a year from Aspirin overdose? Taking 15 extra strength aspirin is a death sentence, but you don't see or hear of it happening. Or visit the Netherlands, where cannabis,, a great pain reducer, is legal. If deaths from addiction to regulated and taxed cannabis is a true a problem, it would be equal or worse than America, no?

    Netherlands Compared With The United States | Drug War Facts

    As for me, I don't use cannabis in Oklahoma because it's illegal. Kratom is my choice for now, and it does work well. No high, no buzz, just the ability to cope with the residual pain a lot better.
    Welcome Oberdan!!

    I agree with your post. I think medical providers need to realize the difference between dependence and addiction as far as opioids. Many patients need pain pills for quality of life and do well while taking them. They are able to work, maintain relationships, not commit crimes, etc. After awhile, a patient depends on the medication for quality of life. Addiction takes it too another level...where it can affect your daily life negatively. Opioids are not the bastard that everyone makes them out to be. Your case, would be no problem for a provider to continue prescribing them for you. A problem would be, a condition that has been resolved, but the patient feels they need the pills...then pain management is a good avenue to take. These are the folks who seek out heroin, the ones who's conditions have been resolved and they were cut off, plus heroin is cheaper and easier to obtain.

    I agree 100% that cannabis is a good and safe choice for pain relief and it is stupid that the US looks at a little innocent plant as criminal. MJ should be legalized. MJ is pretty easy to obtain, legal or not and most law enforcement will turn their head when they are faced with someone using it...as long as you are not blowing it in their face during a traffic stop. LOL I used it after my ankle fracture, when I felt the pills were too much for pain control. I am a nurse and knew it was illegal and weighed my options...recovering to get back to normal or rehab being at the end of the recovery.

    I had never heard of Kratom...interesting. IT was sold at "chocolate milk" LOL Do you grow it yourself? Here is a link for those who many not know what it is:

    The Kratom User's Guide
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Welcome Oberdan!!

    I agree with your post. I think medical providers need to realize the difference between dependence and addiction as far as opioids. Many patients need pain pills for quality of life and do well while taking them. They are able to work, maintain relationships, not commit crimes, etc. After awhile, a patient depends on the medication for quality of life. Addiction takes it too another level...where it can affect your daily life negatively. Opioids are not the bastard that everyone makes them out to be. Your case, would be no problem for a provider to continue prescribing them for you. A problem would be, a condition that has been resolved, but the patient feels they need the pills...then pain management is a good avenue to take. These are the folks who seek out heroin, the ones who's conditions have been resolved and they were cut off, plus heroin is cheaper and easier to obtain.

    I agree 100% that cannabis is a good and safe choice for pain relief and it is stupid that the US looks at a little innocent plant as criminal. MJ should be legalized. MJ is pretty easy to obtain, legal or not and most law enforcement will turn their head when they are faced with someone using it...as long as you are not blowing it in their face during a traffic stop. LOL I used it after my ankle fracture, when I felt the pills were too much for pain control. I am a nurse and knew it was illegal and weighed my options...recovering to get back to normal or rehab being at the end of the recovery.

    I had never heard of Kratom...interesting. IT was sold at "chocolate milk" LOL Do you grow it yourself? Here is a link for those who many not know what it is:

    The Kratom User's Guide
    Thanks for the welcome! I'm actually an old hat for PH. I lurk far more than post, but I have my moments when I feel chatty. For about six months, several years back, I was even a Moderator like yourself. When the website changed hands, I didn't say anything and I've been a new member for years now. lol.

    Kratom came close to being made illegal by the DEA, but the public outcry was so potent and in far greater numbers than the authorities expected, they went ahead and postponed placing it as a schedule 1 drug...which is the same schedule class as cannabis. It's related to the coffee family of plants, but is a leaf from a tree that grows mostly in Asia. I use the Maeng Da Red Vein variety for pain relief, and I buy it locally from a distributor. Because it's a powdered leaf, it takes quite a bit for it to be effective. 5 grams per dose for my body weight, and yes, I mix it with chocolate milk. It does have a bitter flavor, but not so bitter that it can't be masked. There are no side effects with me, and with the amount of insulin and Rx's I take, I was surprised. I don't mind spilling the beans here on what I take Rx wise since you're an RN.

    Rx: Edarbyclor, Januvia, Farxiga, Aldactone, Coreg, Crestor and Levimir Insulin.
    OTC: Baby aspirin, CoQ10 and Kratom.

    Fun fun, right? The whole point is that Kratom is safer than the 'experts' claim. There are even a few educated idgits out there claiming that Kratom was 13 times more powerful than morphine, which is absolute BS, even to the point where those experts unpublished their BS findings. If you research it further, the pharma companies who hire the PH.D people for research says it's all doom and gloom, but the chronic pain community knows better. I used to get MS Contin for pain management eight years ago, but only for 7 days at a time for every month, before that doc eventually stopped helping local pain patients. One tiny 15mg pill has close to the same effectiveness of 5 grams of Kratom, so no, it's not stronger than morphine, in case you find studies that says otherwise.

    Ah, I have to be careful or I'll write another Ober-novel. Like any drug, if folks are interested in trying it, always use caution on the side of being very careful. What works for me may not work for them, etc. As for now, it's the only thing that allows me to experience my day without screaming if I pick up something that weighs more than 4 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberdan View Post
    Thanks for the welcome! I'm actually an old hat for PH. I lurk far more than post, but I have my moments when I feel chatty. For about six months, several years back, I was even a Moderator like yourself. When the website changed hands, I didn't say anything and I've been a new member for years now. lol.

    Kratom came close to being made illegal by the DEA, but the public outcry was so potent and in far greater numbers than the authorities expected, they went ahead and postponed placing it as a schedule 1 drug...which is the same schedule class as cannabis. It's related to the coffee family of plants, but is a leaf from a tree that grows mostly in Asia. I use the Maeng Da Red Vein variety for pain relief, and I buy it locally from a distributor. Because it's a powdered leaf, it takes quite a bit for it to be effective. 5 grams per dose for my body weight, and yes, I mix it with chocolate milk. It does have a bitter flavor, but not so bitter that it can't be masked. There are no side effects with me, and with the amount of insulin and Rx's I take, I was surprised. I don't mind spilling the beans here on what I take Rx wise since you're an RN.

    Rx: Edarbyclor, Januvia, Farxiga, Aldactone, Coreg, Crestor and Levimir Insulin.
    OTC: Baby aspirin, CoQ10 and Kratom.

    Fun fun, right? The whole point is that Kratom is safer than the 'experts' claim. There are even a few educated idgits out there claiming that Kratom was 13 times more powerful than morphine, which is absolute BS, even to the point where those experts unpublished their BS findings. If you research it further, the pharma companies who hire the PH.D people for research says it's all doom and gloom, but the chronic pain community knows better. I used to get MS Contin for pain management eight years ago, but only for 7 days at a time for every month, before that doc eventually stopped helping local pain patients. One tiny 15mg pill has close to the same effectiveness of 5 grams of Kratom, so no, it's not stronger than morphine, in case you find studies that says otherwise.

    Ah, I have to be careful or I'll write another Ober-novel. Like any drug, if folks are interested in trying it, always use caution on the side of being very careful. What works for me may not work for them, etc. As for now, it's the only thing that allows me to experience my day without screaming if I pick up something that weighs more than 4 pounds.
    I think you should chat more and lurk less!! Your drug list looks like the typical middle age cocktail. LOL One thing I have learned, medicine is not an exact science, people are not all the same and their conditions are as unique as they are. Sometimes it takes a lot of trial and error to find something that works. I am glad you found something that provides you with quality of life. Pain is no joke and can affect every system in your body. Stick around!!

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