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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Before the ACA, New York state (or was it New York City) stopped insurance companies from denying people based on preexisting conditions.

    But they didn't have an insurance mandate to go with it.

    And that made their insurance terribly expensive, increasingly expensive as fewer healthy-ish people opted for insurance.

    That's why they were one of the few states who were able to post significant cost savings after the ACA went into effect.


    (I'm posting that from memory, because it's tough to search online, but I'm pretty sure I have that about right.)
    Well, doubtless rates were highest or very high in New York. And affordability remains an issue -- but aside from the subsidies which everyone agrees are unsustainable, Obamacare does not solve this problem.

    The fact is, we need universal care in order to ensure access to care for all citizens. And this is a window of opportunity for those of us who support that idea to promote it.

    But. Repealing Obamacare and returning to the prior regime has tremendous advantages and no barrier exists to enacting a federal law against lifetime caps and other abuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    That part trump plans to keep along with the preexisting condition provision.
    Again, how will Trump accomplish this? Who pays for it? You realise that this would make coverage unafordable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, doubtless rates were highest or very high in New York. And affordability remains an issue -- but aside from the subsidies which everyone agrees are unsustainable, Obamacare does not solve this problem.

    The fact is, we need universal care in order to ensure access to care for all citizens. And this is a window of opportunity for those of us who support that idea to promote it.

    But. Repealing Obamacare and returning to the prior regime has tremendous advantages and no barrier exists to enacting a federal law against lifetime caps and other abuses.
    If you repealed the ACA and went back to how we did things, are you suggesting that we kick everyone off their PLAIN who previously was not insurable? If you are, none of us would be able to afford our premiums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    That part trump plans to keep along with the preexisting condition provision.
    Still, a lot of those young people aren't going to purchase health insurance after that. The insurance companies need young healthy people paying into the pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Again, how will Trump aloe this? Who pays for it? You realise that this would make coverage unafordable?
    No, it does not. The various clauses insurers used to deny coverage did have value but not the enormous one you suppose.

    They are illegal under Obamacare and the impact on rates directly related to outlawing pre-existing conditions, lifetime caps, etc. has not been significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    Why ACA is not liked that this letter failed to mention.

    You can keep your doctor. Millions were not able to.

    You will save 2500 dollars in premiums. Didn't happen.

    Being forced to buy insurance that you do want thus having to pay a penalty.

    The taxes imposed on certain aspects of healthcare.

    Premiums and deductibles sky rocketing.

    The letter suggests very strongly there is NO replacement plans which is not true.
    because no fixes to the law were ever allowed by the GOP once they took Congress. Their ACA function is to make no ACA fixes ...and claim it was not working.

    Keeping one's own doctor would not have been a major stumbling block to having insurance.

    If Obama did a piss poor job explaining the $2,500 premium savings...how does that make ACA unworkable? ..or a reason to get rid of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Still, a lot of those young people aren't to purchase health insurance after that. The insurance companies need young healthy people paying into the pool.
    No, they don't. First, health insurance cannot remain a private enterprise, for profit, and deliver the kind of broad coverage you and I agree is necessary.

    But the rates for individuals (as opposed to group policies) were not and could not be brought way down for the older citizen by forcing younger citizens to also buy. There is no way to prohibit insurers from considering the applicant's age when they rate the policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Again, how will Trump accomplish this? Who pays for it? You realise that this would make coverage unafordable?
    It's how Congress and the states pay for it, not trump. The suggestion is to create high risk pools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Young healthy people are going to avoid paying for health insurance. The insurance companies are going to end up with nothing but the sick and old. They will go bankrupt.
    I guess that is why now there are still millions not insured under obamacare

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    because no fixes to the law were ever allowed by the GOP once they took Congress. Their ACA function is to make no ACA fixes ...and claim it was not working.

    Keeping one's own doctor would not have been a major stumbling block to having insurance.

    If Obama did a piss poor job explaining the $2,500 premium savings...how does that make ACA unworkable? ..or a reason to get rid of it?
    Because it makes things 100xs worse!

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