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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    See post #25.

    If the GOP says they will keep parts of Obamacare like pre-existing what is the mandate. You make no sense falsely claiming the democrats have a mandate

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    It's how Congress and the states pay for it, not trump. The suggestion is to create high risk pools.
    Actually, I think an option to "buy" Medicaid coverage at a extremely discounted rate is a rational step forward.

    But ultimately, there's no alternative to universal care other than to allow more and more poor, working poor and even middle class citizens to be priced out of health insurance altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Bullshit, no one is trolling, I asked you a question and instead of answering the fucking question, you want me to read the internet, pass.

    I showed a link you refuse to read and you ignore democrats did not allow details of Obamacare till after it was passed. You are spewing a double standard and showing your partisan liberal hypocrisy. You refusing to read the links is proof you are trolling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Then what mechanism will prevent me (and millions of others) from NOT carrying insurance until I need it, and then dropping the insurance once I no longer need it? It would be like being able to buy homeowner's insurance right after a burglary, or a housefire.

    How is that any different than the millions that are uninsured now? You are making false assumptions before you know what Trump's plan is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Damn it, please stop doing that. Stick to the thread.

    I am pointing out your double standard and hypocrisy. You did not know what was in Obamacare but now demand to know. You are showing what a partisan hack and troll you are

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    The idea is to not to allow insurance companies to be able to do that.

    You need increased competition. Allow people to purchase insurance from any state just like you can for your auto, your house and life insurance. Competition across state lines.
    There are several states that already allow it, their policies are no cheaper than the rest of the country. As for cheap insurance the average subsidized silver planrate through the exchanges is 69 bucks a month, with over 200 a month in subsidies. Google it if you think I am lying. I have posted links in other threads. Republicans at this point have nothing to offer, if they repeal the ACA, that means they repeal the taxes that fund the ACA, those taxes cover the expanded Medicaid coverage(10 million covered) and the subsidies on the exchanges(11 million covered). What happens to those 20 plus million currently insured under a "health savings account, state lines" cure all Republican bogus health care plan?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/u...ines.html?_r=0
    Last edited by OldGaffer; 16th January 2017 at 07:33 AM. Reason: Added link showing bogusability of "buying across state lines" meme
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Ok, I read your link:
    Imagine that just like Obama. Remember Pelosi said you must pass it to know whats in it. Obama and the democrats did not allow enough time to read it instead they rammed it through and got no GOP votes

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    Before the ACA, it would have been much better to focus on the people who couldn't get insurance. Medicare could have been gradually expanded, for example.

    Now, we can't go back to what we had before. For one thing it would be a horrendous shock to the economy.

    We went through enough economic trauma during the implementation of the ACA. That wasn't good. It was horrible that they put us through this trauma for such a bad law.

    But now that it's been done it would be bad to put us back through more trauma without having something very good waiting for us at the end of the tunnel, and it's hard to believe the GOP will come up with something good enough to justify the intentional jolt to our economy.

    Time will tell. Maybe they will surprise.

    But if they don't come up with something good, I'm counting on Graham, McCain, Collins, Johnson, etc. being honest about it and blocking things which would hurt the vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    It makes no sense of you don't know anything about the subject and instead, repeat what you heard on your AM radio.
    Ypou mean like what Obama and the democrats did with Obamacare that you accepted but now w=you want to be a hypocrite and hold trump to a different standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    because no fixes to the law were ever allowed by the GOP once they took Congress. Their ACA function is to make no ACA fixes ...and claim it was not working.

    Keeping one's own doctor would not have been a major stumbling block to having insurance.

    If Obama did a piss poor job explaining the $2,500 premium savings...how does that make ACA unworkable? ..or a reason to get rid of it?
    I don't recall seeing any fixes proposed by the democrats

    Keeping your doctor and your insurance was a lie told in order to pass ACA.

    Saying you will save 2500 a year certainly made it appealing to democrats in getting ACA passed.

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