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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Never fall for Ptif219's shtick; his links are worthless crap. They have zero factually relevant information.

    Trump has no plan, he's stalling. He is not going to replace Obamacare, because the only other viable alternative will be universal coverage, which if Trump was smart, he would implement so that he could save face and yes, fix Obamacare by REPLACING IT.
    You mean the truth in my links prove you and the other democrats are liars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    First of all, if the ACA is repealed that will no longer be true and second once they turn 26 many will opt not to pay for insurance.
    You are making false assumptions and spewing what is happening under Obamacare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Again, how will Trump accomplish this? Who pays for it? You realise that this would make coverage unafordable?
    Did you say that when Pelosi said you must pass it to see whats in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Now, we can't go back to what we had before. For one thing it would be a horrendous shock to the economy.
    Can't go back? That's an extremely good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Did you say that when Pelosi said you must pass it to see whats in it?
    So you don't know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    I don't recall seeing any fixes proposed by the democrats

    Keeping your doctor and your insurance was a lie told in order to pass ACA.

    Saying you will save 2500 a year certainly made it appealing to democrats in getting ACA passed.
    Millions are saving $2500 a year or more, folks that had full paid employer coverage didn't save anything because they were not paying anything to start with.

    Here, let me post this link one more time, maybe this time it will stick?

    Among those qualifying for subsidies, we estimate that the average subsidy is $2,890 per person, ranging from a low of $1,350 in the District of Columbia and $1,780 in Utah to a high of $4,370 in Mississippi and $4,980 in Wyoming. These amounts are highly related to the premium levels in areas within each state. Tax credits are calculated by subtracting the amount each person is expected to pay based on a percentage of their income (which does not vary by state) from the premium for the second-lowest-cost silver plan in their area.
    Nationwide, an estimated 83% of marketplace enrollees qualify for subsidies
    How Much Financial Assistance Are People Receiving Under the Affordable Care Act? | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Can't go back? That's an extremely good thing.
    Well, yes. If I'm correct about "can't".

    I should have said "mustn't", since some are trying to send us back. So hopefully they aren't successful in their efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    There are several states that already allow it, their policies are no cheaper than the rest of the country. As for cheap insurance the average subsidized silver planrate through the exchanges is 69 bucks a month, with over 200 a month in subsidies. Google it if you think I am lying. I have posted links in other threads. Republicans at this point have nothing to offer, if they repeal the ACA, that means they repeal the taxes that fund the ACA, those taxes cover the expanded Medicaid coverage(10 million covered) and the subsidies on the exchanges(11 million covered). What happens to those 20 plus million currently insured under a "health savings account, state lines" cure all Republican bogus health care plan?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/u...ines.html?_r=0
    Sentence two. 65 a month or a 200 a month subsidy, which is it? It can't be both.

    This forum have been told countless times that the Republicans have alternatives but certain members lie about this being the case.

    Last question. They have more choices therefore cheaper prices. That's what competition achieves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Well, yes. If I'm correct about "can't".

    I should have said "mustn't", since some are trying to send us back. So hopefully they aren't successful in their efforts.
    I'm relatively at ease regarding not going back to the stone age of healthcare before. I just don't see a viable political path to do so. We probably have 20 years of repeal, replace, and fix ahead of us and that's fine. Thankfully, we took that first step. It was painful for many and a godsend for others. If we hadn't though, we'd just still be talking about it like we'd been doing for half a century or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    There are several states that already allow it, their policies are no cheaper than the rest of the country. As for cheap insurance the average subsidized silver planrate through the exchanges is 69 bucks a month, with over 200 a month in subsidies. Google it if you think I am lying. I have posted links in other threads. Republicans at this point have nothing to offer, if they repeal the ACA, that means they repeal the taxes that fund the ACA, those taxes cover the expanded Medicaid coverage(10 million covered) and the subsidies on the exchanges(11 million covered). What happens to those 20 plus million currently insured under a "health savings account, state lines" cure all Republican bogus health care plan?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/u...ines.html?_r=0
    There is no alternative to universal care. None.

    It's that, or health insurance becomes a perk only the wealthy can afford...although hospitals, etc. will continue to be funded by taxes all citizens pay.

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