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    This is how American health care kills people

    Ryan Cooper

    January 19, 2017

    Matthew Stewart owes $62,668.78 for drugs, surgeries, and other treatment. With both bankruptcy and possibly fatal liver failure looming, he doesn't even bother opening his bills anymore, he told The Week. "There was no point. They just upset everyone," he says.

    Stewart is 29 years old, and was pursuing his Ph.D in American history at Texas Christian University until ill health forced him to withdraw. He lives in Ft. Worth, Texas, with his wife of six years, who is a junior high school teacher in a low-income district. They own their home. Before he came down with complications from cirrhosis caused by autoimmune hepatitis, he says he led a scrupulously healthy lifestyle he does not drink or do any other non-medical drugs, he says, and was a devoted hiker before disaster struck. And he was insured indeed, he had a gold plan from the ObamaCare exchanges, the second-best level of plan that you can get.

    But now he faces imminent bankruptcy and possibly death.

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    The details of Stewart's story are immensely complex, but the basic reality is fairly simple. A man got very sick, and had to have a serious medical procedure, or die. That care was available, and he did get it. But the medical system then bled him of every last penny it could legally get its hands on, despite his supposedly good insurance. The immense cost wrecked his finances, but merciless means tests made it all but impossible to access the skinflint social insurance system in Texas.

    This is how American health care kills people

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    The fact that ObamaCare — a reasonably good-faith effort to make the system better — did not stop the vicious cruelty of medical billing, and in many ways only added to the system's psychotic complexity, ought to weigh on us all.
    This is why I support a single payer, universal health insurance system.
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    But when the wolves get to help build a system for guarding the chicken coop, this is what you get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    But when the wolves get to help build a system for guarding the chicken coop, this is what you get.
    And yet here we are, stuck with a system that is not only the most expensive in the world, but one that patients and health care providers don't like.
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    Coworker of mine was diagnosed with leukemia and she is filing bankruptcy. She has a decent plan on our exchange as well but she has to go to Boston for treatment. Of course, out of network so her costs are higher. Doctor wanted her to consider a stem cell transplant but her insurance wants to try "other methods" first. Ridiculously expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
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    Such a shitty, shitty click-bait title, Ryan Cooper. Really shameful.

    Matthew Stewart owes $62,668.78 for drugs, surgeries, and other treatment. With both bankruptcy and possibly fatal liver failure looming, he doesn't even bother opening his bills anymore, he told The Week. "There was no point. They just upset everyone," he says.

    Stewart is 29 years old, and was pursuing his Ph.D in American history at Texas Christian University until ill health forced him to withdraw. He lives in Ft. Worth, Texas, with his wife of six years, who is a junior high school teacher in a low-income district. They own their home. Before he came down with complications from cirrhosis caused by autoimmune hepatitis, he says he led a scrupulously healthy lifestyle — he does not drink or do any other non-medical drugs, he says, and was a devoted hiker before disaster struck. And he was insured — indeed, he had a gold plan from the ObamaCare exchanges, the second-best level of plan that you can get.

    But now he faces imminent bankruptcy and possibly death.

    The details of Stewart's story are immensely complex, but the basic reality is fairly simple. A man got very sick, and had to have a serious medical procedure, or die. That care was available, and he did get it. But the medical system then bled him of every last penny it could legally get its hands on, despite his supposedly good insurance. The immense cost wrecked his finances, but merciless means tests made it all but impossible to access the skinflint social insurance system in Texas.

    This is how American health care kills people
    American health care did not give this person cirrhosis and autoimmune hepatitis. American health care did not kill this person and is not killing this person. Being in medical bankruptcy doesn't kill people. Medical conditions kill people. The problem with the American health care system is how it's financed.

    The article glosses over the fact that he nearly died and his life was saved by advanced expert medical procedures. It goes straight from "yeah yeah, nearly dead from blood loss, bla bla, emergency surgery bla bla, BUT THEN! THE BILLING PROBLEMS!"

    I agree there are systemic, fundamental problems with insurance, especially health insurance. But melodramatic articles like this are meant to shamelessly inflame people's sense of outrage by capitalizing on an especially rare tragic case of a young, healthy guy who everyone should agree didn't deserve to have his liver fail.
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    Yeah, that's what we are talking about when we talk about the affordable care act, is billing problems, and how to fix that.

    To illustrate those problems, we talk about how it impacts the life of a human being, hie economic, and physical well being.

    The hope is that through compassion, and the ability to imagine the pain of others, we will be inspired to change a system that heaps more suffering on those already suffering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Ryan Cooper

    January 19, 2017

    Matthew Stewart owes $62,668.78 for drugs, surgeries, and other treatment. With both bankruptcy and possibly fatal liver failure looming, he doesn't even bother opening his bills anymore, he told The Week. "There was no point. They just upset everyone," he says.

    Stewart is 29 years old, and was pursuing his Ph.D in American history at Texas Christian University until ill health forced him to withdraw. He lives in Ft. Worth, Texas, with his wife of six years, who is a junior high school teacher in a low-income district. They own their home. Before he came down with complications from cirrhosis caused by autoimmune hepatitis, he says he led a scrupulously healthy lifestyle — he does not drink or do any other non-medical drugs, he says, and was a devoted hiker before disaster struck. And he was insured — indeed, he had a gold plan from the ObamaCare exchanges, the second-best level of plan that you can get.

    But now he faces imminent bankruptcy and possibly death.

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    The details of Stewart's story are immensely complex, but the basic reality is fairly simple. A man got very sick, and had to have a serious medical procedure, or die. That care was available, and he did get it. But the medical system then bled him of every last penny it could legally get its hands on, despite his supposedly good insurance. The immense cost wrecked his finances, but merciless means tests made it all but impossible to access the skinflint social insurance system in Texas.

    This is how American health care kills people

    But more people die from lack of healthcare in every nation in the world more than in the US





    go to england and canada you die from diseaes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Yeah, that's what we are talking about when we talk about the affordable care act, is billing problems, and how to fix that.

    To illustrate those problems, we talk about how it impacts the life of a human being, hie economic, and physical well being.

    The hope is that through compassion, and the ability to imagine the pain of others, we will be inspired to change a system that heaps more suffering on those already suffering.
    Compassion? Over three years ago I started this thread which gets at the core of this particular guy's problems: The "in network" "out of network" scam. 2014 health insurance gets even crappier.

    And then later I started this thread which shows what a raging commie I am because it attempts to strike at the heart of what private sector insurance really is: All private sector insurance is a scam and should be governmentalized

    But I lack compassion because I call out a leftist asshat for writing a click-bait article about how American health care "kills people." Fuck that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    But more people die from lack of healthcare in every nation in the world more than in the US





    go to england and canada you die from diseaes.
    why should we exclude death from fatal injuries?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ife-expectancy

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