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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I do wonder though if Trump doesn't plan to bring coal back at some point.
    It's not really a question of whether he wants to. The simple fact of the matter is that he can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I do wonder though if Trump doesn't plan to bring coal back at some point. Here in New England we have dozens of coal plants that either are mothballed or slowly winding down. Three nuclear plants have shut down and natural gas isn't available everywhere here due to the granite bedrock so it gets shipped in via liquid nat gas which is environmentally dangerous. So our rates are expensive here. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Trump offer some sort of deal to reopen the coal plants here and justify more mining.
    From what I can google about New England, it doesn't look hopeful that the coal fired power plants can be opened back up, and the economics just aren't there to build new ones. What they are looking at is building NG pipelines instead.

    You all would probably be better off looking towards new power sources and supplemental power sources instead of coal. It's just not profitable anymore. I don't know too much about where you live except you're kind in the middle of nowhere and I'm guessing there just aren't enough power generating plants overall to make your rates competitive because it's not populated enough? Again, guessing. In my area my power company (AEP) sends me an update occasionally with a pie chart showing where are power comes from and we've got coal, nuclear, gas and wind all listed there. They just built a new gas fired power plant right up the road from me and I'm glad they did, my costs have gone down a lot since they built that thing. Fracking is going on everywhere.

    If there were state tax incentives for people like you to install one or two solar panels, you might be able to lower your energy costs. I'm a firm believer in diversification of energy. Individual (solar panels) is a good place to start. I think if everyone were able to install a solar panel or two on their homes, we'd all be better off and most of us could at least operate our refrigerators if the power was knocked out by weather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    From what I can google about New England, it doesn't look hopeful that the coal fired power plants can be opened back up, and the economics just aren't there to build new ones. What they are looking at is building NG pipelines instead.

    You all would probably be better off looking towards new power sources and supplemental power sources instead of coal. It's just not profitable anymore. I don't know too much about where you live except you're kind in the middle of nowhere and I'm guessing there just aren't enough power generating plants overall to make your rates competitive because it's not populated enough? Again, guessing. In my area my power company (AEP) sends me an update occasionally with a pie chart showing where are power comes from and we've got coal, nuclear, gas and wind all listed there. They just built a new gas fired power plant right up the road from me and I'm glad they did, my costs have gone down a lot since they built that thing. Fracking is going on everywhere.

    If there were state tax incentives for people like you to install one or two solar panels, you might be able to lower your energy costs. I'm a firm believer in diversification of energy. Individual (solar panels) is a good place to start. I think if everyone were able to install a solar panel or two on their homes, we'd all be better off and most of us could at least operate our refrigerators if the power was knocked out by weather.
    We are seeing wind mills all over the place here. Windmills generate energy for our baseball stadium. The first time I noticed it, the lights are on all the time at night, even when we don't have a game. At first I thought..what a waste, until I saw the windmills. Our Country fairground uses windmills too. Solar panels are very expensive. I wish they would come down in price. I am told they pay for themselves in a short period of time. The problem in Cleveland it is cloudy a lot of the time, I notice my solar lights in my yard don't always come on at dusk. I think the Northern States would need a back up energy source in addition to solar. I hate gas heat...I literally dry up from it. Nose bleeds, dry skin..it makes me feel unhealthy. The best heating I ever had was steam heat. I have lived in older apartments over the years and never felt better from steam heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    You'd have to compare the outcomes to not having an EPA at all. There's no way to do that so your charge is unsubstantiated.
    You know I originally said they were paper tigers and a reorganization might be beneficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    From what I can google about New England, it doesn't look hopeful that the coal fired power plants can be opened back up, and the economics just aren't there to build new ones. What they are looking at is building NG pipelines instead.

    You all would probably be better off looking towards new power sources and supplemental power sources instead of coal. It's just not profitable anymore. I don't know too much about where you live except you're kind in the middle of nowhere and I'm guessing there just aren't enough power generating plants overall to make your rates competitive because it's not populated enough? Again, guessing. In my area my power company (AEP) sends me an update occasionally with a pie chart showing where are power comes from and we've got coal, nuclear, gas and wind all listed there. They just built a new gas fired power plant right up the road from me and I'm glad they did, my costs have gone down a lot since they built that thing. Fracking is going on everywhere.

    If there were state tax incentives for people like you to install one or two solar panels, you might be able to lower your energy costs. I'm a firm believer in diversification of energy. Individual (solar panels) is a good place to start. I think if everyone were able to install a solar panel or two on their homes, we'd all be better off and most of us could at least operate our refrigerators if the power was knocked out by weather.
    Currently they are trying to bring hydro in from Quebec for us. (Northern Pass Project) Solar panels works in some areas but others don't allow them as they aren't "historically correct" or "in line with the character of the town." New England has some areas where you cant even paint your house until its approved by the Historical society. So that complicates things for some. Areas where they are allowed they are done, but the electric companies don't allow the buyback of power yet so that's expensive still. We were supposed to have NG pipelines but they got voted down because nobody wanted them in their backyard. We have some wind in some places that works but again now some are saying they make them sick. Its gotten to the point in some areas around here, that you cant do anything without somebodys approval. New Hampshire isn't all that bad but energy isn't just a state thing, neighboring states have to agree since power companies are regional not statewide. Hopefully the hydro will get approved although they are fighting it like mad since again NIMBY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    We are seeing wind mills all over the place here. Windmills generate energy for our baseball stadium. The first time I noticed it, the lights are on all the time at night, even when we don't have a game. At first I thought..what a waste, until I saw the windmills. Our Country fairground uses windmills too. Solar panels are very expensive. I wish they would come down in price. I am told they pay for themselves in a short period of time. The problem in Cleveland it is cloudy a lot of the time, I notice my solar lights in my yard don't always come on at dusk. I think the Northern States would need a back up energy source in addition to solar. I hate gas heat...I literally dry up from it. Nose bleeds, dry skin..it makes me feel unhealthy. The best heating I ever had was steam heat. I have lived in older apartments over the years and never felt better from steam heat.
    Solar is an issue in the north also because of the weight on ones roof during the winter. We just had a couple falling in because the roof couldn't sustain the load. Some of the houses are so old that the roof cant have panels on them. They are the ones that need them the most too since older homes aren't insulated as well and use way more energy.

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