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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Wow since it take Black lung 8-10 years to develop... Does not speak well of obama's track record for employee safety


    Why did obama's OSHA allow this to happen.
    That is sad that you don't even know what is going on in your part of the country.

    Regulations are as good as the coal mine owner's holding mine supervisors to enforce regulations.

    Supervisors had plenty of time to radio down to miners that inspectors were on site to have everyone put on their saftey equipment.

    Once inspectors left, the miners were instructed to remove safety equipment as it restricted maximum output of work.

    Dollars before health.

    Massey is one in example.

    Coal mine owner made supervisors break federal regulations to make money.
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    The indictment of a former coal mining CEO over safety violations Thursday sent a “strong message,” said the United Mine Workers of America. Don Blankenship faces four criminal counts and up to 31 years in prison for alleged safety violations at mines operated by Massey Energy, which he headed from 2000 until his retirement in 2010.

    “The carnage that was a recurring nightmare at Massey mines during Blankenship’s tenure at the head of that company was unmatched. No other company had even half as many fatalities during that time,” said United Mine Workers of America International President Cecil E. Roberts



    Blankenship presided over Massey at the time of the worst U.S. mining disaster in 40 years. The April 2010 explosion at the Upper Big Branch mine killed 29 people and drew attention to numerous safety violations at Massey mines, including illegal levels of coal dust, low air quality, and worn equipment.
    Former Coal Mining CEO Faces Prison Over West Virginia Safety Violations ? The Great Energy Challenge Blog

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    They will be used and abused, as always.
    Sorry but they get the govt they deserve. Its not like they aren't up there voting for these people. Trump won WV by over 40% over HRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    That article was distressingly sad to me. Generations of people suffering for these jobs and we can't find anything else for Appalachians to do to make money?
    Its sad to me as well but what bugs me is we saw during the campaign, miners supporting Trump because "he will bring back the coal mines" so their children will have somewhere to work. Excuse me? You want your kids to lead this life as well? I would be selling a kidney or something to move away just so my kids wouldn't have to work in those mines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    They might now. They wouldn't in the past because you can pay $1 a day south of the border and importing the goods on the back of slave labor was not punished. trump is trying to change that.
    And that's fine with me although as I have said in the past, the issue of components is going to be a problem if the only tool you have is tariffs. If you keep piling costs onto what you're producing, the final product is going to be unaffordable in the end.

    Besides, they tend not to build factories on hilltops and hollers.

    Maybe these people could be retrained to be respiratory therapists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Its sad to me as well but what bugs me is we saw during the campaign, miners supporting Trump because "he will bring back the coal mines" so their children will have somewhere to work. Excuse me? You want your kids to lead this life as well? I would be selling a kidney or something to move away just so my kids wouldn't have to work in those mines.
    One of the things I noticed, a lot of miners, at least in KY, their kids don't become miners. My whole family were miners at one point, all of my Uncles, but out of my cousins, only one of the boys became a coal miner..the rest obtained a college degree or a technical certificate such as hair technicians (girls). My Uncle and Dad, did not want us to become miners so they made sure we did not have too. Other than Black Lung, most miners are out in their early 50's due to back injuries. If a miner makes it too 58 they are lucky. On my Mom's side of the family, many of her Uncles and Cousins, owned small mines back in the 70's and became millionaires as a result. The mine my cousin manages is a huge one owned by a large energy company. It stretches for miles underground and is completely automated. He has about 25 years in...will retire soon. He is not showing any symptoms of black lung. I think it is because he never smoked. My Dad has about 20 years in, and his lungs are exceptional for 89 years old and he worked in the mines when you worked on your knees for 12 hours a day, crawling through a 3 foot opening.

    Black lung is very difficult to get....it takes years for a settlement, usually just before they die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Wow since it take Black lung 8-10 years to develop... Does not speak well of obama's track record for employee safety


    Why did obama's OSHA allow this to happen.
    It's more complicated than that.

    thinner coal seams in central Appalachia are likely to blame for spikes in complicated black lung. The thickest seams are mostly gone. The thin seams that remain have coal embedded in rock, and that rock contains quartz. Cutting quartz and coal together results in mine dust that includes silica, which is especially toxic in lung tissue. Stanley worked in so much dust he labeled his mining machine the dust dragon.

    "They kept getting less coal and more rock. So you're cutting 19 inches of coal, you're cutting 50-60 inches of rock," Stanley recalls. "And the more rock you cut the more dust you're going to eat."

    There's also the practice of slope mining, where crews cut solid rock to reach coal seams. Burnham did that in Kentucky for six straight months, working 14 16-hour shifts at one point.

    It was "pure rock dust," he says. "I had my respirators on and you'd actually have to remove it to help take a breath every once in a while because the dust packed so much around your filters you couldn't get no air in."

    Protective masks are among the controls that are supposed to prevent inhalation of coal and silica dust. Robust ventilation in mines is supposed to sweep dust away. Water sprays are used to tamp down dust.

    Kentucky miner Barney Stanton says those things didn't always work, even when most of the companies he worked for provided proper safety gear.

    "It's hard to wear a mask and do a physical job," he says. "Just trying to do your job, you breathe so hard the dust will come in around the mask."

    Stanton has been diagnosed with the most serious stage of PMF and is awaiting a lung transplant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    No one's going to open a manufacturing plant in those places. Why? Besides, Trump promised them coal mining jobs in places like WV and Kentucky. I just think anyone thinking coal is a good clean form of energy has shit for brains and while I sympathize with the people left in the lurch, they should be trying to get new industries in their areas, not mining. They should ask their reps to help them transition, not go backwards. You can't get your health back.
    I honestly don't think the miner's care about their health that much...they know eventually the mines will get them in the end. What they do care about are their children and families and that is why they do it. The town I live around in Ky is starting to see some industry come in...a big Amazon facility was just built and many of them work there now. A few State ran hospitals and CHC are popping up too. Natural gas is beginning to show some promise, many are requesting that their land to be surveyed for it. My cousin, who lives next to my property is having his land surveyed, if they find gas there, I will do the same. I tease him and call him Jed Clampett. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I honestly don't think the miner's care about their health that much...they know eventually the mines will get them in the end. What they do care about are their children and families and that is why they do it. The town I live around in Ky is starting to see some industry come in...a big Amazon facility was just built and many of them work there now. A few State ran hospitals and CHC are popping up too. Natural gas is beginning to show some promise, many are requesting that their land to be surveyed for it. My cousin, who lives next to my property is having his land surveyed, if they find gas there, I will do the same. I tease him and call him Jed Clampett. LOL
    Just read not long ago but northern PA and how since all the coal mines closed they area has been devastated. Now they are giving gas companies leases on their property to test and frack. One guy said they were paying him 4K a month just to dig. I guess they would rather frack?

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    My FIL was born and raised in coal country in WV. He went into the mines at 17 for one day. He ran away and joined the Navy during WWII. He preferred his odds as a tail gunner. After the war he became a union carpenter and made a fine living. He never smoked and lived to the ripe old age of 84.
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