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    Trump Set To Order Deportation Of Legal Immigrants Who Use Medicaid

    If signed, the executive action would put green-card holders in danger of deportation and could burden state and local agencies.

    After signing several executive orders aimed at deporting undocumented immigrants, President Donald Trump may target legal immigrants next.

    A leaked executive order would drastically expand the number of public programs that are off-limits to legal immigrants who aren't citizens, such as green-card holders. If found using them, they could face deportation and their sponsors -- usually a family member or employer -- would have to reimburse the federal government for unauthorized use of those benefits.

    Immigrants can currently be deported for using cash welfare or long-term institutionalized care. Under the draft order, they could be deported for using any federal benefit given "on the basis of income, resources or financial need." That could include food stamps, Medicaid, free or reduced school lunch, home heating assistance and college financial aid.

    "This is really a major change for social welfare institutions and the social welfare system," said Michael Fix, president of the Migration Policy Institute.

    State and local agencies manage many of those programs and could be responsible for reporting immigrants' use of them. That would create new administrative burdens for counties, said Jack Peterson, assistant legislative director for the National Association of Counties (NACo). Peterson's group is also worried about the order having a negative impact on public health.

    "Some of our members have expressed concerns that ... [this] could have the [effect] of driving folks that need care into the shadows," he said. If parents stop taking their children to get immunizations, for example, it "not only has impacts for them and their lives but for broader community at-large."

    In the past, NACo has taken the position that legal noncitizens should be eligible for federal health benefits, and that the federal government should reimburse counties for the cost of health care provided to legal noncitizens. The group is meeting for its annual conference in late February, and Peterson said Trump's recent immigration policies are on the agenda.

    The Washington Post first reported on the draft order Jan. 31. Since that time, the Trump administration hasn't commented on it. So far, though, most of the leaked executive orders have turned out to be virtually the same.

    The leaked order is short on important implementation details, such as what role state or local agencies could be expected to play. But if it's up to states and localities to report immigrants to the federal government, they may resist.

    One of Trump's earlier orders threatens to defund so-called sanctuary cities that don't cooperate with federal efforts to deport undocumented immigrants. Dozens of cities, however, have since pledged to protect undocumented immigrants, and San Francisco filed a lawsuit over the issue. In several states, including Washington, Democratic officials are working to shield data from the federal government that it could use to deport someone.

    “We joked about how we need to build a wall around Washington to keep D.C. out,” said Washington state Sen. Guy Palumbo to The Seattle Times.

    The leaked order also calls for the federal Office of Management and Budget to study the estimated savings of restricting more benefits to legal immigrants. Such a report would likely require data collection by state and local agencies.

    The order would also prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving federal child care tax credits, even if their kids were born in the U.S. and are citizens.

    Congress reduced immigrants' access to public benefits in 1996 with the welfare reform law. But in the past two decades, it restored or increased access to some public benefits, such as food stamps and health insurance for children who are legal permanent residents. The Trump order would reverse that trend.

    According to the order, immigrants -- both legal and undocumented -- are more likely to use public benefits. That's true in general but not when taking income into account. Research by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, the right-leaning Cato Institute and the left-leaning Center for American Progress have all found that low-income immigrants are less likely to use public benefits than low-income U.S.-born individuals.
    Leaked Trump Order Targets Legal Immigrants Who Use Government Benefits

    In general, I agree with the principle that a legal immigrant should be self-supporting or be deported. Obviously this is a complex issue and needs a complex response, but OVERALL, I don't disagree with Trump here.

    What say you?

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    First I would say ..... if this is an actual news story and not another fake news story from a fabricated WaPo leak then I would tend to agree with you.

    Bringing immigrants into our Country to be supported by hard working citizens tax dollars is never a good idea for our citizens.

    However, deporting potential Democrat voters is not going to go over well with the anti-American Democratic Party.

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    Ms. Madeline,

    Like you, I have no problem with it. Sounds like he is just signing an order that enforces rules that are already in place.

    I will comment on one portion of the article, though. That last little bit of propagandic paps that the author, and indeed, all dishonest supporters of illegal immigration throw out like a ripe plum. It says "immigrants are less likely to use benefits than US born individuals. Well duh: BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART, THEY ARE NOT ELIGABLE FOR THEM.

    I mean, if I said "People without drivers license are less likely to drive a car than those that have one," or "people without a job are less likely to get a mortgage than people who are employed," or "people without arms are less likely to jerk off than people who do have arms," you would say "yeah, sure, that's common sense."

    If a liberal were to be honest and say "people who are ineligible to use public benefits than people who are eligible," their argument would fall flat. So instead they dishonestly lump all immigrants, illegal, legal, green card holders, etc. into one bunch, then throw out that lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    First I would say ..... if this is an actual news story and not another fake news story from a fabricated WaPo leak then I would tend to agree with you.

    Bringing immigrants into our Country to be supported by hard working citizens tax dollars is never a good idea for our citizens.

    However, deporting potential Democrat voters is not going to go over well with the anti-American Democratic Party.
    Everyone is a POTENTIAL Democrat voter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Everyone is a POTENTIAL Democrat voter.
    That is what democrats think
    but of course you'll deny it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    First I would say ..... if this is an actual news story and not another fake news story from a fabricated WaPo leak then I would tend to agree with you.

    Bringing immigrants into our Country to be supported by hard working citizens tax dollars is never a good idea for our citizens.

    However, deporting potential Democrat voters is not going to go over well with the anti-American Democratic Party.
    My understanding is, the Ellis Island era immigration policy was, you had to be healthy and have a sponsor or some other indicia of support. You had 5 years to become a citizen, and during that time, you could be deported for committing a crime or requiring public support. Whether that's true or not, I say it's a sound public policy (as far as it goes; it obviously would not apply to asylum-seekers, refugees, etc.)

    If you choose to remain a legal resident/noncitizen longer than 5 years, your risk of deportation continues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    My understanding is, the Ellis Island era immigration policy was, you had to be healthy and have a sponsor or some other indicia of support. You had 5 years to become a citizen, and during that time, you could be deported for committing a crime or requiring public support. Whether that's true or not, I say it's a sound public policy (as far as it goes; it obviously would not apply to asylum-seekers, refugees, etc.)

    If you choose to remain a legal resident/noncitizen longer than 5 years, your risk of deportation continues.
    The Italian Mafia came in through Ellis Island, along with Irish Gangs. How many were deported?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    That is what democrats think
    but of course you'll deny it.
    I guess the definition of "potential" is beyond your comprehension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    The Italian Mafia came in through Ellis Island, along with Irish Gangs. How many were deported?
    Several. But bear in mind, for decades very few arrests occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    That is what democrats think
    but of course you'll deny it.
    The conservatives should be over the moon about immigrants from Latin America. 99% are strict Catholics and share your views on abortion, birth control, homosexuality, etc. The GOP is shooting itself in the foot by embracing American bigots and alienating Latino voters.
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