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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    I think that the 8 of 10 first generation millionaires is quite plausible. And among OUR GENERATION, highly likely. But many of our generation are NOW losing ground. I know people who lost their life savings and 'lost the farm', literally, from illness during the past 20 years. Now we can parse out the rest of your pronouncement about 'class warfare'. Race bigotry, gender bigotry, regional bigotry, ZIP CODE bigotry results in diminishing assets, lack of accumulation of wealth, and over the past 25-30 years BAD HEALTH outcomes. CLASS WARFARE among the haves and have nots is as good a phrase as any until someone comes up with a new one.
    Why is that 8 years of obamanomics created this decline.

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    That is great... I chose to use my savings for debt free college.. my dad wasn't a thief...

    That is probably true.. about 50% of the people not having $2500 in a liquid account.

    well. I heard a radio show in 1994, (I was saving for retirement).. I was building debt had 25,000 in consumer debt, 55,000 in mortgage debt. started following his plan, 18 months later I had no consumer debt, 26 months later I had no mortgage debt. my base salary in 1994 (wife and I combined was 42K, I took on 2 part time jobs, worked over time and delivered pizzas on Monday and Friday on top of the 2 Part time jobs, until paid we off all debt and built emergency fund).

    Today I have 8 months of living expense in a savings account.

    fully funded retirement account.

    No mortgage debt, no consumer debt.

    you take the average mortgage of

    1200/month

    Car payment

    445/month

    credit cards

    1000/month

    not having that debt allows me to put $2400 a month in savings, for purchases, retirement, emergencies, or to spend doing what I want, give to charity to help people

    I have done the classes for this program free of charge for people to learn to manage their money, One couple I was able to give them enough down payment so they could get a home... only stipulation was (when you get your financial house in order, they would do it for someone else, a couple of years ago they helped a young couple get their first home with paying their down payment).
    lucky you didn't have to pay for child care while you were working all those part time jobs, or have a medical condition, or had to figure out how to get to work without a car, etc., etc.
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    And the ACA made it worse.

    It was always thus, and there is nothing the government can do about it. It is virtue signaling to claim otherwise.
    The government (which is us) could decide that health care is a human right, and provide it for all citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    So, you think welfare is compassion?

    So you think telling the truth is a lack of intelligence.

    If so it is you that would be the one that as you said Lack intelligence and compassion.

    Because trapping people in welfare dependency is NOT compassion,

    Not understanding the reality of the world is a lack of intelligence.

    It appears you have devolved into keeping people enslaved,
    Too many Americans want people who need help to feel ashamed, and think they should jump through humiliating hoops to get help, to make welfare compassionate. They feel people needing help should suffer to encourage them to work harder.

    As for telling the truth - you need fact checking more than any other poster on PH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Why is that 8 years of obamanomics created this decline.
    Perhaps if republicans were more focused on improving the lives of Americans, and less on making Obama a one term president, the decline that began in the 70s might have slowed.
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    Thread: Rich Americans live up to 15 years longer than poor peers, studies find

    And yet we give 3x more Social Security money to rich Americans than we do poor Americans, and we pay for their health care because it feels good to pretend and treat them like they're poor, even if they're not, and it's funded by a flat tax on income.

    Reform senior entitlements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Health insurance system – the most expensive in the world – is worsening situation, researchers find, arguing healthcare should be treated as human right

    Jessica Glenza in New York
    Thursday 6 April 2017 18.33 EDT

    You can’t buy time – except, it seems, in America.

    Increasing inequality means wealthy Americans can now expect to live up to 15 years longer than their poor counterparts, reports in the British medical journal the Lancet have found.

    Researchers said these disparities appear to be worsened by the American health system itself, which relies on for-profit insurance companies, and is the most expensive in the world.

    Their conclusion? Treat healthcare as a human right.

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    The Lancet studies looked at how the American health system affects inequality and structural racism, and how mass incarceration and the Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare, have changed public health.

    Among the studies’ key findings: the richest 1% live up to 15 years longer than the poorest 1%; the same gap in life expectancy widened in recent decades, making poverty a powerful indicator for death; more than one-third of low-income Americans avoid medical care because of costs (compared to 7% in Canada and 1% in the UK); the poorest fifth of Americans pay twice as much for healthcare as a share of income (6% for the poor, versus 3.2% for the rich); and life expectancy would have grown 51.1% more from 1983 to 2005 had mass incarceration not accelerated in the mid-1980s.

    The poorest Americans have suffered in particular, with life expectancies falling in some groups even while medicine has advanced.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ality-lifespan
    Correlation does not imply causation. It's a common logical fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Correlation does not imply causation. It's a common logical fallacy.
    I'm sure the good professionals at the lancet would be interested in your critique of the study conducted by researchers published in their journal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    So, you think welfare is compassion?

    So you think telling the truth is a lack of intelligence.

    If so it is you that would be the one that as you said Lack intelligence and compassion.

    Because trapping people in welfare dependency is NOT compassion,

    Not understanding the reality of the world is a lack of intelligence.

    It appears you have devolved into keeping people enslaved,
    You never tell the truth - at best you give a prettied-up picture of the nasty greedy system you live under, and always blame decent people for any changes that make it even worse. You show no compassion for anyone, ever, as well you know, because you hate the human race. Probably you have as much intelligence as the next man, but you are so brainwashed that it's pitiful. What on earth you nutters mean by 'trapping people in dependency ' is far from obvious - you mean that, as in the concentration camps, those who are totally unfit should slave while you starve them to death? The reality of the world is that you are a dedicated enemy of humanity. Face it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    You never tell the truth - at best you give a prettied-up picture of the nasty greedy system you live under, and always blame decent people for any changes that make it even worse. You show no compassion for anyone, ever, as well you know, because you hate the human race. Probably you have as much intelligence as the next man, but you are so brainwashed that it's pitiful. What on earth you nutters mean by 'trapping people in dependency ' is far from obvious - you mean that, in the concentration camps, those who are totally unfit should slave while you starve them to death? The reality of the world is that you are a dedicated enemy of humanity. Face it.
    No I tell the truth, but you don't like the truth, so you want to cover it up.

    Tell the Reasons that cause poverty is lack of compassion.. No, YOU LACKING THE ABLITY TO ADMIT the causes of poverty IS THE LACK OF COMPASSION. and it makes you lying by omission.

    I am not an enemy of Humanity, those that IGNORE THE TRUTH are the enemies of Humanity.

    you want the see the enemy of humanity don't project your lies and your incompassion on me and others.

    It is not my fault you support a system that creates GENERATIONAL POVERTY.... But then again Liberals are Liars they lie to themselves every day. you are a SICK LIAR because you know what I said IS ACCURATE AND THE TRUTH. and that Truth shows YOU not me to be the enemy of humanity.

    If you cannot state the causes, you cannot find solutions for the problem.


    A much more intelligent man said it this way..

    HELPING THE POOR IS A GOOD THING, (I help those in poverty), but womb to tomb compassion will make them stop striving to get out of poverty and they will provide less and less for themselves.

    “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin

    So you are right I AM NOT LIKE YOU I really want to find a solution for people to find a way out of poverty.

    Like I told my Daughter when I coached Softball... "I will help you play better, but I sure as heck, am not going to give you the position, you will have to practice and earn it."

    If I made her catcher with her not trying to be the best catcher she could be would be a DISERVICE for her.. because she will come to expect she deserves the position, not earning the position.

    So, please don't give me this crap you care for the poor

    YOU DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE POOR, EXCEPT TO KEEP THEM IN POVERTY

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