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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Perhaps if republicans were more focused on improving the lives of Americans, and less on making Obama a one term president, the decline that began in the 70s might have slowed.
    Republicans did not kill obama legislation THE DEMOCRAT SENATE DID.. the repubican house took most of Obama's proposals debated amended them where they felt they needed amending, PASSED them and sent them to the Senate.. it was HARRY REID that refused to allow votes on the proposals.

    So please don't blame republicans because obama was weak and could not get his party to take action.

    The house passed budgets every year.. it was the SENATE that did not pass a budger for 2011,12,13,14,

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    Why in the US all debates about health care tend to be ideological ? Health is a basic need for everyone and as far as health is concerned we are not equal. It is why there are insurances which are based on solidarity between the persons insured even though such insurances in the US are supposed to amke profits.... So as soon as solidarity is present among the persons insured where is the difference between having an insurance coverage benefiting to everyone or only to people who have an health insurance ? So a general insurancecover of all people is or is not a Socialist measure ? In my country we have private insurances which offer healthcare, the difference with the US is that it is since long compulsory to have an insurance and peoplee who cannot afford such insurances get subsidised for that by the State. I have a hard time to consider that a general cover of health care can hurt political or ethical principles peope may have. It is only a question of organization and actually with a very poor performance of the US health system as far as costs and global results are concerned, why debates do not focus about what needs to be improved to match what is done abroad ? I mention here life expectancy, the general costs of medical treatments and I limit my comparisons to wealthy countries....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No I tell the truth, but you don't like the truth, so you want to cover it up.

    Tell the Reasons that cause poverty is lack of compassion.. No, YOU LACKING THE ABLITY TO ADMIT the causes of poverty IS THE LACK OF COMPASSION. and it makes you lying by omission.

    I am not an enemy of Humanity, those that IGNORE THE TRUTH are the enemies of Humanity.

    you want the see the enemy of humanity don't project your lies and your incompassion on me and others.

    It is not my fault you support a system that creates GENERATIONAL POVERTY.... But then again Liberals are Liars they lie to themselves every day. you are a SICK LIAR because you know what I said IS ACCURATE AND THE TRUTH. and that Truth shows YOU not me to be the enemy of humanity.

    If you cannot state the causes, you cannot find solutions for the problem.


    A much more intelligent man said it this way..

    HELPING THE POOR IS A GOOD THING, (I help those in poverty), but womb to tomb compassion will make them stop striving to get out of poverty and they will provide less and less for themselves.




    So you are right I AM NOT LIKE YOU I really want to find a solution for people to find a way out of poverty.

    Like I told my Daughter when I coached Softball... "I will help you play better, but I sure as heck, am not going to give you the position, you will have to practice and earn it."

    If I made her catcher with her not trying to be the best catcher she could be would be a DISERVICE for her.. because she will come to expect she deserves the position, not earning the position.

    So, please don't give me this crap you care for the poor

    YOU DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE POOR, EXCEPT TO KEEP THEM IN POVERTY
    The cause, child, is the system you have been brainwashed into supporting, and the only way to deal with it is to get rid of that system, replacing it by workers' democracy. Charity stinks. Capitalism, by its nature, must keep people poor and encourage divisions such as racism and sexism, as, actually, you perfectly well know, so as to have starving people to take the jobs of those who oppose their masters' total power.. Don't quack to me about liberalism kiddiewink - the last liberal in my family was my great-grandfather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    The cause, child, is the system you have been brainwashed into supporting, and the only way to deal with it is to get rid of that system, replacing it by workers' democracy. Charity stinks. Capitalism, by its nature, must keep people poor and encourage divisions such as racism and sexism, as, actually, you perfectly well know, so as to have starving people to take the jobs of those who oppose their masters' total power.. Don't quack to me about liberalism kiddiewink - the last liberal in my family was my great-grandfather.
    Actually you have been brainwashed into supporting the "System" I believe the system has a major flaw, the system is like the hotel CA, you check into the system, and it is VERY difficult to check out. The person takes a Entery level job at minimum wage.. they gain experience they become a floor manager, Shift manager, Supervisor.

    or they stay on welfare, Receiving a check from the government that is a below poverty level income.. and a VAST VAST majority never ever get out of the system, because the system made that way.

    You are promoting generational poverty.

    You gauge compassion and success by the number of people on welfare, I gauge compassion and success by the number of people that no longer NEED WEALFARE
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Health insurance system – the most expensive in the world – is worsening situation, researchers find, arguing healthcare should be treated as human right

    Jessica Glenza in New York
    Thursday 6 April 2017 18.33 EDT

    You can’t buy time – except, it seems, in America.

    Increasing inequality means wealthy Americans can now expect to live up to 15 years longer than their poor counterparts, reports in the British medical journal the Lancet have found.

    Researchers said these disparities appear to be worsened by the American health system itself, which relies on for-profit insurance companies, and is the most expensive in the world.

    Their conclusion? Treat healthcare as a human right.

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    The Lancet studies looked at how the American health system affects inequality and structural racism, and how mass incarceration and the Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare, have changed public health.

    Among the studies’ key findings: the richest 1% live up to 15 years longer than the poorest 1%; the same gap in life expectancy widened in recent decades, making poverty a powerful indicator for death; more than one-third of low-income Americans avoid medical care because of costs (compared to 7% in Canada and 1% in the UK); the poorest fifth of Americans pay twice as much for healthcare as a share of income (6% for the poor, versus 3.2% for the rich); and life expectancy would have grown 51.1% more from 1983 to 2005 had mass incarceration not accelerated in the mid-1980s.

    The poorest Americans have suffered in particular, with life expectancies falling in some groups even while medicine has advanced.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ality-lifespan
    Ms. Labrea,

    In other news, Rich people drive brand new Lexus' than poor people, rich people live in nicer houses than poor people, rich people go on more vacations than poor people, rich people drink more expensive scotch than poor people, and rich people are more likely to eat lobster than poor people.

    As reported in this month's edition of "Duh Magazine."

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Amazing, isn't it, that poor people risk their lives doing jobs their employers don't feel are worthy of a wage and benefits to keep them alive and well.
    Ms. Labrea,

    No, poor people take riskier jobs because they have no motivation and didn't study hard enough to get good jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    This is not necessarily due to healthcare.

    1. Poorer people take more risky jobs (Legal and Illegal)
    2. Poorer people sometimes live in more violent neighborhoods.
    3. Poorer people have worse diets, (in many ways thanks to the Department of HHS)
    What does HHS have to do with the diets of poor people? (SNAP is a program in the Farm Bill, run out of the Department of Agriculture, if that's what you're going after.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    And yet we give 3x more Social Security money to rich Americans than we do poor Americans, and we pay for their health care because it feels good to pretend and treat them like they're poor, even if they're not, and it's funded by a flat tax on income.

    Reform senior entitlements.
    As I understand it, rich swedes get "free" child care, "free" education for their children, and "free" health care, right along with less well off Swedes. They are not pitting one class against another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Actually you have been brainwashed into supporting the "System" I believe the system has a major flaw, the system is like the hotel CA, you check into the system, and it is VERY difficult to check out. The person takes a Entery level job at minimum wage.. they gain experience they become a floor manager, Shift manager, Supervisor.

    or they stay on welfare, Receiving a check from the government that is a below poverty level income.. and a VAST VAST majority never ever get out of the system, because the system made that way.

    You are promoting generational poverty.

    You gauge compassion and success by the number of people on welfare, I gauge compassion and success by the number of people that no longer NEED WEALFARE
    Nice little fantasy you've got going there. I'm sure it works out as you outlined for some, but it ain't what happens for the majority.

    No matter what the economic system, or economic conditions, some will always do well, and rise to the top (after all, Osama bin Laden's father was poor, illiterate, blind in one eye, and an immigrant, but managed to do well, and become a very wealthy man in Saudi Arabia). The American Dream was that this was the land of opportunity for the common man, not only the extroidenary. A country where the average guy could work hard, and have a good life, even as a janitor, like my friend's father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Labrea,

    No, poor people take riskier jobs because they have no motivation and didn't study hard enough to get good jobs.
    They are motivated enough to show up and work to make a profit for someone. For that they deserve respect, and a decent life.

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