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    New GOP Health Care Bill Looks Worse Than The 1st One

    House Republicans are floating a new amendment to their health care bill — one that would likely cause even more Americans to lose coverage than the last version. Leaders of the staunchly conservative Freedom Caucus and the more moderate Tuesday Group have reportedly hashed out a proposal that would let some states ditch key Obamacare policies, such as the requirement to charge sick people the same for coverage as healthy people. States would also have the choice to opt out of the Affordable Care Act’s essential health benefit requirement.

    What we do know is that this latest proposal doesn’t do much at all to assuage concerns about the older proposals. While it meets many of the demands of the party’s far-right wing — namely, the deregulation of the individual insurance market — it does nothing to address concerns about massive coverage loss. Instead, it likely makes those problems worse. The amendment takes aim at two Obamacare policies that have long been on the Freedom Caucus’s hit list: community rating and essential health benefits.

    his GOP amendment to let states waive community rating would once again allow insurers to charge people based on their expected health care costs. Insurers would not be able to deny coverage to people with preexisting conditions, but they would have free rein to charge them especially high premiums. They could also opt out of the health care law’s essential health benefits for the same reason. This is the core set of medical services that the Affordable Care Act requires all insurers to cover, including things like doctor trips, hospital stays, maternity care, and mental health services.

    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...alth-care-plan

    So stupid. If you do away with the essential health benefits - it means that most of the health care people in this country use - would not be covered.
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    Based on what I heard from NPR, it sounds like the new bill will allow individual states to eliminate the ACA provision that currently prohibits insurers from disqualifying customers with pre-existing conditions. If the report is correct, then this bill will flop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Based on what I heard from NPR, it sounds like the new bill will allow individual states to eliminate the ACA provision that currently prohibits insurers from disqualifying customers with pre-existing conditions. If the report is correct, then this bill will flop.
    Well this doesn't help either

    House Republicans are throwing cold water on hopes there will be a vote next week on a revived ObamaCare repeal-and-replace bill.

    Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, and Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.), co-chairman of the centrist Tuesday Group, are nearing a deal on changes to the bill, and the White House is eager for a victory before President Trump’s 100th day in office. But GOP aides and some lawmakers say it seems doubtful the deal, as presented by MacArthur, could win approval in the House. They also note that there is not even legislative text yet to mark a deal, which makes the prospect of holding a vote next week even more unlikely.

    “The question is whether it can get 216 votes in the House, and the answer isn't clear at this time,” said a senior GOP aide, referring to the number of votes likely necessary to pass the legislation. There is no legislative text and therefore no agreement to do a whip count on.

    ObamaCare replacement deal hits major speed bumps | TheHill

    So MM wants to ram a bill that doesn't even have legislative text yet, so he can somehow claim "victory" before the 100 day mark?

    How can he be so ignorant on how bills work? Oh wait, never mind.
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    Hey squirrel. The North Korea story is dying and not having the desired affect. Bombing Syria and Afghanistan hasn't done it.
    Now this story. Anything to get the public off the story of Trump, Russia and the election collusion. Hang in there America keep your focus on the issue of collusion in the election because all the rest is just a distraction.
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    New GOP Health Care Bill Looks Worse Than The 1st One

    Of course it does. They're trying to attract more Republican votes.
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    Really really stupid to pass this convoluted thing that nobody understands. All they are going to do is take the blame when the ACA goes bust because of this.

    For liberals it could be their saving grace come 2018 because it would give you a legitimate issue to run on.

    Does this bill even address the shortcomings of the ACA's revenue problem?

    If it does they sure haven't communicated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Really really stupid to pass this convoluted thing that nobody understands. All they are going to do is take the blame when the ACA goes bust because of this.

    For liberals it could be their saving grace come 2018 because it would give you a legitimate issue to run on.

    Does this bill even address the shortcomings of the ACA's revenue problem?

    If it does they sure haven't communicated it.
    Well hard to know when the bill has not even been drafted yet...smh...


    and now apparently, the border wall will have to "funded" (and not by Mexico) if the subsidies are going to remain in place.

    White House budget director Mick Mulvaney said Thursday that he hopes to use negotiations to keep the government open past April 28 in an effort to force Democrats to back some funding for creating a new wall along the U. S-Mexico border — a risky move that could provoke a spending showdown with congressional Democrats next week.

    Mulvaney said the White House would be open to funding some of the Democrats’ priorities — such as paying insurance subsidies under the Affordable Care Act — if Democrats agree to fund some of the more controversial parts of President Trump’s agenda, notably the border wall.

    The new request threatens to undermine weeks of negotiations between Republican leaders and Democrats in Congress to pass a stopgap spending bill to avoid a government shutdown. The negotiations so far have excluded talk of the border wall, which Republicans have argued should be taken up later to keep the government open.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.19a73b613374

    There are already lawsuits being filed against any potential "wall"

    Gosh this administration just keeps getting more incompetent with each passing day.

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    My problem with the ACA is that it might actually provide too much coverage. If it offered a bit less and wrap-around insurance was available as a partial and not stand-alone, that might indeed be the answer.

    I believe that republicans might actually be too committed in replacing it due to campaign promises and might be better served to give up on that angel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Well this doesn't help either

    House Republicans are throwing cold water on hopes there will be a vote next week on a revived ObamaCare repeal-and-replace bill.

    Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, and Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.), co-chairman of the centrist Tuesday Group, are nearing a deal on changes to the bill, and the White House is eager for a victory before President Trump’s 100th day in office. But GOP aides and some lawmakers say it seems doubtful the deal, as presented by MacArthur, could win approval in the House. They also note that there is not even legislative text yet to mark a deal, which makes the prospect of holding a vote next week even more unlikely.

    “The question is whether it can get 216 votes in the House, and the answer isn't clear at this time,” said a senior GOP aide, referring to the number of votes likely necessary to pass the legislation. There is no legislative text and therefore no agreement to do a whip count on.

    ObamaCare replacement deal hits major speed bumps | TheHill

    So MM wants to ram a bill that doesn't even have legislative text yet, so he can somehow claim "victory" before the 100 day mark?

    How can he be so ignorant on how bills work? Oh wait, never mind.
    Truthfully, i don't think anyone in congress really wants to stick out their neck over this at this juncture. Most people are happy with their coverage and they do not want to mess that up. Many are dissatisfied with costs, though and more work needs to be done.

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