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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    What does that statement even mean?
    Really? You're asking my help then, OK Medicine is not supposed to not harm the patient but now, when it does, it's an acceptable risk, in this case a three year old suffered for it. Kind of outrageous don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Who determines what is medically necessary? The patient's doctor, or a bureaucrat who has never examined the patient?
    Protocols created by the medical/dental profession generally. It does seem dubious to put caps on baby teeth. It seems dubious to put a three-year-old child under general anesthesia except for the most extraordinary procedures.

    Did the parents sign a release? What warnings were in the release?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Really? You're asking my help then, OK Medicine is not supposed to not harm the patient but now, when it does, it's an acceptable risk, in this case a three year old suffered for it. Kind of outrageous don't you think?
    I agree that it is outrageous the 3 year old was subjected to the risk. And blame both the doctor who did it and the parents who permitted it.

    If that is similar to your position then we hold the same view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    I agree that it is outrageous the 3 year old was subjected to the risk. And blame both the doctor who did it and the parents who permitted it.

    If that is similar to your position then we hold the same view.
    Close I guess, I'd hold the profession guilty, not so much individuals as they just buy the easiest no pain way pushed. Anesthesiologists probably are responsible for more medical deaths than anybody else in the field but medical professions get increasingly more adamant about using it, especially lately in the dentistry field, in my experience. And they know the risks and patients have to sign a lot of forms that acknowledge that danger but the bottom line it's easier, less likely to be sued thanks to all the paper work, and the loss rate is low. Or acceptable risk. For profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Why are 3 year olds seeing the dentist at all?
    There may have been some serious problem.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Dental infections can be associated with heart disease.

    This child's mouth may have been in very bad shape to need extractions and caps. Maybe that could have led to undiagnosed heart trouble.
    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Most insurance companies expect providers to prove medical necessity prior to approving a procedure. This includes a lot of documentation on the behalf of the doctor. I have had patients wait in the hospital for 2 days before treatment or advanced diagnostics are performed. Keeping a bed occupied just waiting on approval is waste IMO. Preauthorizations or precertifications are needed to help with cost control. To answer your question...insurance companies decide based on the level of proof provided by the doctor. Most insurance companies hire RN's to work with approvals so experienced personnel is making the decisions. Most insurance complies employ a medical director, a MD, to make the final decision if needed. Any dental procedure, I would think, would need a light sedative for a toddler. Some anesthesia must be given, the numbing injections are brutal too and without anything, could be pretty painful for anyone. I used to ask for gas before the needle before many stopped using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    I agree that it is outrageous the 3 year old was subjected to the risk. And blame both the doctor who did it and the parents who permitted it.

    If that is similar to your position then we hold the same view.
    I would bet that the odds of a healthy three-year-old dying is Bert slim. It is very possible that the child had a severe heart condition. I am sure there were children who died from their tonsils being removed but millions didn't any medical treatment has its risks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    There may have been some serious problem.....
    Or there may not have been, and this is just another child killed by greed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    I would bet that the odds of a healthy three-year-old dying is Bert slim. It is very possible that the child had a severe heart condition. I am sure there were children who died from their tonsils being removed but millions didn't any medical treatment has its risks
    You are missing what I said before: Medicaid wrongfully pays for virtually any dental care on children far too young to need it, and across the country, this has resulted in extreme suffering and death.

    https://healthimpactnews.com/2015/de...n-on-medicaid/

    https://www.propublica.org/article/a...ds-on-medicaid

    Dentist Accused of Harming Child Patients While Making Millions of Dollars - ABC News

    Dentists Charged Taxpayers $175M For Unneeded Work On Kids | The Daily Caller

    And, if this child had a serious heart condition -- the parents' claim that she was perfectly healthy notwithstanding -- using general anesthesia on her outside a hospital seems irresponsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Putting 3 year olds under is common, it's no more danger to them then anyone else.

    I can imagine doing much dental work on a 3 year old would be near impossible if they felt it.

    And I doubt those baby teeth were just wiggling around or the kid would have pulled them out himself. They were probably still rooted in there so I would like to see you get teeth pulled with no anesthesia or nova cane at least.

    But there is always a slight risk when people go under, that's why they warn you and make you sign something.
    I wonder what the medical condition of the child was. Did the child have any issues or a clean bill of health from when ever it was last examined by the girls doctor. The dental procedures being done, I'm in no position to judge.

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