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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    He doesn't have to try, Obamacare is failing quite nicely on its own.

    Its a shit plan that the democrats sold the American people and the voters are about to realize it.

    Trump had a plan to make it sustainable but all the left could do is whine about people getting kicked off.

    Well now everyone is going to be kicked off when it goes belly up so there ya go.

    Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    Not a single republican voted for the mess which is the ACA so its the democrats that will get all the blame as they should.
    Cutting off your nose to spite your face is precisely what repubs are doing if they try to make it fail. Repubs have total control of congress as well as the presidency and if it does fail only fucking morons will think it is the fault of democrats. Trump has repeatedly said the republicans will own Obamacare if they don't repeal it. Is he lying again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Lack of choice

    Able to keep your plans

    Able to keep your doctors

    Unaffordable premiums and deductibles

    Forcing people to buy it

    Shall I go on?
    1. Lack of choice - States regulate insurance providers, and the various states have no desire whatsoever to have the federal government take away their sovereign right to continue such regulation. Private insurers decide whether they want to operate within a particular state. This has always been the case. You couldn't purchase insurance from a company that was not licensed to operate within your state prior to the passage of PPACA.

    2. Able to keep your plans - I did.

    3. Able to keep your doctors - I did.

    4. Unaffordable premiums and deductibles - They've been "unaffordable" for decades. The rate of inflation has actually decreased under PPACA.

    5. Forcing people to buy it - This is your real problem. You want to be a deadbeat and get your medical care for free.

    6. Shall I go on? - Who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Cutting off your nose to spite your face is precisely what repubs are doing if they try to make it fail. Repubs have total control of congress as well as the presidency and if it does fail only fucking morons will think it is the fault of democrats. Trump has repeatedly said the republicans will own Obamacare if they don't repeal it. Is he lying again?
    You have no credibility debating politics if you don't even know what a pardon is.

    I see your posts now and I just laugh to myself.

    Go away.

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    You have no credibility...
    The one realm in which I accept the assertion that you possess expertise.

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    1. Lack of choice - States regulate insurance providers, and the various states have no desire whatsoever to have the federal government take away their sovereign right to continue such regulation. Private insurers decide whether they want to operate within a particular state. This has always been the case. You couldn't purchase insurance from a company that was not licensed to operate within your state prior to the passage of PPACA.
    I guess Obama and the democrats shouldn't have promised us more choice then if it wasn't up to them.

    Don't you think?

    Many didn't.
    Many didn't, once again this was another lie.
    4. Unaffordable premiums and deductibles - They've been "unaffordable" for decades. The rate of inflation has actually decreased under PPACA.
    So by your own admission Obamacare did not fix this. They were bad before and they are still bad so in your mind that is somehow a positive?

    6. Shall I go on? - Who cares?
    Yes by all means continue on, this is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Lack of choice

    Able to keep your plans

    Able to keep your doctors

    Unaffordable premiums and deductibles

    Forcing people to buy it

    Shall I go on?
    No, you've adequately demonstrated that you don't understand what the ACA is already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, you've adequately demonstrated that you don't understand what the ACA is already.
    Uh huh.

    When you can show that go ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Uh huh.

    When you can show that go ahead.
    You don't want to talk about the millions that have health coverage from the expanded Medicaid program and the millions of working class and self employed individuals that are receiving subsidies to help them afford coverage. Repeal eliminates both programs, thus 32 million lose coverage. And you are rooting for that....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    You don't want to talk about the millions that have health coverage from the expanded Medicaid program and the millions of working class and self employed individuals that are receiving subsidies to help them afford coverage. Repeal eliminates both programs, thus 32 million lose coverage. And you are rooting for that....
    When they are doing it with my tax dollars yes.

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    Every economist or care giver group worth its salt has declared the ACA as wounded but not broken. It needs both patries to put their heads together to repair the parts that need fixing and keep those that work. It's the best we can do without going to single payer which would be the preferred choice. To let it collapse is irresponsible and cruel. Those who say that letting it collapse will be looked upon as a Democratic failure, are dead wrong. Folks are smart enough to see that the GOP has no interest in either saving the ACA or coming up with a viable alternative plan. They really just want a tax giveaway to themselves. That's what it is all about to them. Trump just wants something in the win column, doesn't matter how it affects millions of working Americans, or the disabled or the elderly.

    After saying there would be better, cheaper healthcare for all, he's then taking part in the big photo op in the rose garden with all the GOPer's whose bill would completely dismantle and throw more than 20 million off of healthcare. Just shows how much he actually cares for the folks who elected him. Not at all.

    Just like the GOP house and Senate. Eight years of saying the ACA needs to be repealed and replaced, no plan of action by them except of course, that it frees up a trillion bucks with which to enrich themselves and further widen the gap between the haves and the rest of America.

    I sincerely hope the electorate repays them in the mid-terms for their total and utter disdain for the middle-class and the working poor. That's the swamp that needs draining.
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