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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Show proof. If they had offered that Trump would listen
    Okay @ptif219 ... Here's proof that Democrats have extended an open invitation to work with Republicans to make Obamacare better.

    Chuck Schumer to Mitch McConnell: Work with Democrats on fixing Obamacare

    Senate Democrats on Monday pushed Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to work with them on an Obamacare fix as Republicans returned to Washington facing growing doubts that they can pass their bill to overhaul the health-care system.

    In a letter to McConnell, Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and three other Democrats called on McConnell to "focus on immediately advancing policies to provide stability and certainty to the health insurance markets." They asked Schumer to work with them in "advancing measures that would have an immediate impact on improving the health care system for American families."
    Source - CNBC
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    More sources, take your pick

    So to address your quoted post - Why isn't Trump listening, even though you clearly think he should?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    While they pull out of the exchanges, it's a law, not an insurance. Prices were already skyrocketing.
    The problem is the out of pocket and the lack of choice. Obamacare was meant to fail. Remember what Gruber said

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    Republicans have been doing their darnedest to break Obamacare. That's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Trump administration scraps Obamacare signup assistance in 18 cities

    The Trump administration has ended Affordable Care Act contracts that brought assistance to 18 cities.

    People will have 45 days to shop for 2018 coverage, half the time of previous years.

    President Trump has said in multiple interviews that he would like to "let Obamacare fail."

    Trump administration scraps Obamacare signup assistance in 18 cities

    The contacts were set to end in a year. It is not a big deal. This is just moving forward what was going to end anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Its not going to collapse but saying you want our healthcare system to fail is a great mantra for the right to run on.
    It is not sustainable and is unaffordable for the consumer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Okay @ptif219 ... Here's proof that Democrats have extended an open invitation to work with Republicans to make Obamacare better.



    Source - CNBC
    Source - Newsmax
    More sources, take your pick

    So to address your quoted post - Why isn't Trump listening, even though you clearly think he should?
    We will see what Happens. It is democrats that cheer 60 votes because they do not want to fix Obamacare

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    We will see what Happens. It is democrats that cheer 60 votes because they do not want to fix Obamacare
    Do you concede that Democrats have reached out to Republicans to fix the flaws in Obamacare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Do you concede that Democrats have reached out to Republicans to fix the flaws in Obamacare?
    No they are obstructionists and liars. If they vote to repeal Obamacare Tuesday you will have a point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Do you concede that Democrats have reached out to Republicans to fix the flaws in Obamacare?
    They can't even admit what the flaws are.

    I have asked every liberal here, countless times, to tell us what is broken in Obamacare and not a single one can answer it.

    Go ahead, ask them yourself.

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    We have gotten used to discussing the Affordable Care Act mainly in terms of its problems, and those problems are real. There are pockets of the country in which it is working poorly. Deductibles are too high, and premiums are volatile. The Trump administration has worked hard to sabotage the insurance exchanges and drive insurers out of the marketplaces. But focusing on the problems obscures the overwhelming reality: The Affordable Care is popular, it is working, and on every dimension that voters care about, it outperforms the Republican alternatives. And that makes it damn hard to replace

    These numbers are strange if you listen to Republicans describe the Affordable Care Act. In their telling, it is always “imploding,” “failing,” “dying,” “disastrous.” How can a law in such crisis command such healthy public support? The answer is that the law is, for the most part, not in crisis. There are areas of the country where the exchanges have struggled to attract insurers, and there are markets in which premiums have increased rapidly. These problems are real and, if the party in power were interested in improving the law, solvable. Nor are the exchanges in anything close to a state of collapse. More than 10 million people are buying insurance off Obamacare’s exchanges, and surveys show most of them are happy with their plans. While there are some counties at risk of beginning 2018 without participating insurers, the total number is quite small — 38 out of 3,143 counties, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation

    Obamacare’s biggest problem is the high cost sharing that frustrates those who buy coverage on the marketplaces. But all of the Republican bills would lead to higher deductibles, higher copays, sparer insurance, and, on an apples-to-apples basis, higher premiums. The reasons for this are simple: The GOP bills cancel the individual mandate, which pushes young and healthy people to buy health insurance, and then take hundreds of billions of dollars Obamacare is currently spending to make insurance more affordable and spend it instead on tax cuts and deficit reduction.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...king-mcconnell
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