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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    I have looked at the facts. For some reasons people like you think that People that paid the individual penalty are insured, they are not insured they paid a fine for the right to NOT PURCHASE insurance. (obama counted those that paid the fine and did not purchase insurance as insured. (welcome to Guberville, CA).
    I was responding this post by you

    everything the TEA Party said would happen with ACA has happened.
    That is false.

    Pretty sure most people know if you pay the penalty it means your not insured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    I was responding this post by you



    That is false.

    Pretty sure most people know if you pay the penalty it means your not insured.
    No it is not false

    the TEA Party said.

    Premiums would skyrocket they did
    They said that deductibles would be massive They are
    They said that the Choices would decline They did
    They said that Insurers would pull out of the program they have, 800+ counties in the US HAVE NO CHOICE for providers
    They said that people would pay the fines and not purchase insurance They have
    They said that it would implode under it's own weight it has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No it is not false

    the TEA Party said.

    Premiums would skyrocket they did
    They said that deductibles would be massive They are
    They said that the Choices would decline They did
    They said that Insurers would pull out of the program they have, 800+ counties in the US HAVE NO CHOICE for providers
    They said that people would pay the fines and not purchase insurance They have
    They said that it would implode under it's own weight it has.
    Just a couple of example of why your talking points are wrong. Just like when you posted that CA would be down to one provider - not true.

    While there are some counties at risk of beginning 2018 without participating insurers, the total number is quite small — 38 out of 3,143 counties, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

    Nor has the Affordable Care Act seen exploding costs either in the program or in the health care system more broadly; the ACA has cost less than the Congressional Budget Office expected, and spending growth in the health system overall has been at historic lows (an achievement for which Obamacare deserves some, though not all, of the credit). Cost control in the health system has been so unexpectedly effective that the government is now projected to spend less on health care with Obamacare than we were projected to spend without Obamacare.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...king-mcconnell


    The biggest problem is the high cost sharing that frustrates those who buy coverage on the marketplaces..

    But that can be fixed if the GOP would just stop trying to sabotage Obamacare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Just a couple of example of why your talking points are wrong. Just like when you posted that CA would be down to one provider - not true.

    While there are some counties at risk of beginning 2018 without participating insurers, the total number is quite small — 38 out of 3,143 counties, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

    Nor has the Affordable Care Act seen exploding costs either in the program or in the health care system more broadly; the ACA has cost less than the Congressional Budget Office expected, and spending growth in the health system overall has been at historic lows (an achievement for which Obamacare deserves some, though not all, of the credit). Cost control in the health system has been so unexpectedly effective that the government is now projected to spend less on health care with Obamacare than we were projected to spend without Obamacare.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...king-mcconnell


    The biggest problem is the high cost sharing that frustrates those who buy coverage on the marketplaces..

    But that can be fixed if the GOP would just stop trying to sabotage Obamacare.
    Thanks, it is now 47 will have NO insurance to choose, 1200+ will have only 1 choice...

    Map shows where people could see zero, few Obamacare insurers in 2018

    Both numbers will be increasing by the end of the year since this article was written Aetna pull out of the exchanges.

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    Its utterly mind-blowing how liberals simply put blinders on to what is happening right in front of them.

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    I said a while back Republians should stand back and let obama's legislative baby abort itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No they are obstructionists and liars. If they vote to repeal Obamacare Tuesday you will have a point
    You just don't like having to admit you were wrong. You rejected my assertion that Democrats had extended an open invitation to Republicans to fix Obamacare. I proved my assertion beyond the shadow of a doubt.

    Your posts on this subject are pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    They can't even admit what the flaws are. I have asked every liberal here, countless times, to tell us what is broken in Obamacare and not a single one can answer it.

    Go ahead, ask them yourself.
    I'm not asking them; you aren't the first person to realize that a national healthcare system is an extraordinarily complex structure, and I seriously doubt that anyone on PH has sufficient understanding of the system to make qualified assessments.

    If you insist, I would push to raise the retirement age. Not immediately; that would impact existing retirement plans. But it should be scaled up gradually in such a way that it is eventually increased to 74 or so, over the course of a decade or two. Those who are currently age 55+ would be unaffected. Those just under age 55 would see the retirement age increase by one year, etc... Scale it. This wouldn't provide any immediate remedy, but twenty years from now, we'll be glad we did it. If this had been done in the 1990s, we'd be enjoying the benefits today.

    More suggestions? The Washington Post shared several in this op-ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Thanks, it is now 47 will have NO insurance to choose, 1200+ will have only 1 choice...

    Map shows where people could see zero, few Obamacare insurers in 2018

    Both numbers will be increasing by the end of the year since this article was written Aetna pull out of the exchanges.
    Aetna claimed this summer that it was pulling out of all but four of the 15 states where it was providing Obamacare individual insurance because of a business decision — it was simply losing too much money on the Obamacare exchanges.

    Now a federal judge has ruled that that was a rank falsehood. In fact, says Judge John D. Bates, Aetna made its decision at least partially in response to a federal antitrust lawsuit blocking its proposed $34-billion merger with Humana. Aetna threatened federal officials with the pullout before the lawsuit was filed, and followed through on its threat once it was filed. Bates made the observations in the course of a ruling he issued Monday blocking the merger.

    Aetna executives had moved heaven and earth to conceal their decision-making process from the court, in part by discussing the matter on the phone rather than in emails, and by shielding what did get put in writing with the cloak of attorney-client privilege, a practice Bates found came close to “malfeasance.”

    U.S. judge finds that Aetna deceived the public about its reasons for quitting Obamacare - LA Times

    So 47 counties out of 3,143 counties will have no insurance to choose from?

    You do know that's a fraction of the US right?

    The other reason for less insurers in the uncertainely in the market right now as the GOP tries to cram bill after bill through with no luck. In order for things like health markets to function properly, they need stability.

    No doubt the ACA needs fixing. But it's not in a death spiral, it's not broken.

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    Yeah, this administration is actively trying to harm the ACA - and that is unconscionable when lives are at stake.

    President Donald Trump's administration has ended Affordable Care Act contracts that brought assistance into libraries, businesses and urban neighborhoods in 18 cities, meaning shoppers on the insurance exchanges will have fewer places to turn for help signing up for coverage. Community groups say the move, announced to them by contractors last week, will make it even more difficult to enroll the uninsured and help people already covered re-enroll or shop for a new policy. That's already a concern because of consumer confusion stemming from the political wrangling in Washington and a shorter enrollment period.

    People will have 45 days to shop for 2018 coverage, starting Nov. 1 and ending Dec. 15. In previous years, they had twice that much time. Some see it as another attempt to undermine the health law's marketplaces by a president who has suggested he should let "Obamacare" fail. The administration, earlier this year, pulled paid advertising for the sign-up website HealthCare.gov, prompting an inquiry by a federal inspector general into that decision and whether it hurt sign-ups.

    Now insurers and advocates are concerned that the administration could further destabilize the marketplaces where people shop for coverage by not promoting them or not enforcing the mandate compelling people to get coverage. The administration has already threatened to withhold payments to insurers to help people afford care, which would prompt insurers to sharply increase prices.

    Trump administration scraps Obamacare signup assistance in 18 cities

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