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    Teddy Roosevelt advocated Universal health care as part of the Bull Moose platform

    and of course, his progressives, and they WERE called progressives then, not progs, or whatever else the 4chan, reddit, freepers might call them, unsuccessfully campaigned on that in their states.

    A Brief History: Universal Health Care Efforts in the US | Physicians for a National Health Program

    So, TR must have been a RINO eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    and of course, his progressives, and they WERE called progressives then, not progs, or whatever else the 4chan, reddit, freepers might call them, unsuccessfully campaigned on that in their states.

    A Brief History: Universal Health Care Efforts in the US | Physicians for a National Health Program

    So, TR must have been a RINO eh?

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    Pure Food and Drug Act, Meat Packing Act, passed by Roosevelt, first use of the Sherman Anti-Trust Law, by Roosevelt.

    Roosevelt wanted to federalize the coal industry because of the shortage that was deliberating being created by the owners.

    RINO-Stone Cowboy eh folks?

    https://teddyrooseveltlive.com/2014/...nd-healthcare/
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Pure Food and Drug Act, Meat Packing Act, passed by Roosevelt, first use of the Sherman Anti-Trust Law, by Roosevelt.

    Roosevelt wanted to federalize the coal industry because of the shortage that was deliberating being created by the owners.

    RINO-Stone Cowboy eh folks?

    https://teddyrooseveltlive.com/2014/...nd-healthcare/
    Todays alt right Republicans despise Teddy Roosevelt and disown him as a Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    and of course, his progressives, and they WERE called progressives then, not progs, or whatever else the 4chan, reddit, freepers might call them, unsuccessfully campaigned on that in their states.

    A Brief History: Universal Health Care Efforts in the US | Physicians for a National Health Program

    So, TR must have been a RINO eh?

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    Teddy Roosevelt was a populist, so the comparison to Trump is valid. The problem with populists, is that by definition they're advocating policies that are popular. But populists aren't necessarily motivated by any definable ideology, so voters can't be confident of how they'll actually govern. In Trump's case he got support because he was the loudest voice for border security and enforcement of immigration law. The average American working person understands quite well that illegal aliens are competing against them for jobs and driving down wages, so Trump's message resonated with them, especially when leaders from both major parties were soft on illegal immigration. But now we're all confronted with the reality that Trump isn't a persuasive promoter of any specific policies on health care for instance, or anything else, and all his loud rhetoric on border security may have seriously impacted the number of people trying to sneak across the border, but not one brick has actually been laid for "the wall". But if Hillary was eager to trade 20% of America's uranium reserves for millions of dollars in foreign money what else would she have sold off to the highest bidder if she had been elected? I'm quite happy to take my chances with Trump the populist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Teddy Roosevelt was a populist, so the comparison to Trump is valid. The problem with populists, is that by definition they're advocating policies that are popular. But populists aren't necessarily motivated by any definable ideology, so voters can't be confident of how they'll actually govern. In Trump's case he got support because he was the loudest voice for border security and enforcement of immigration law. The average American working person understands quite well that illegal aliens are competing against them for jobs and driving down wages, so Trump's message resonated with them, especially when leaders from both major parties were soft on illegal immigration. But now we're all confronted with the reality that Trump isn't a persuasive promoter of any specific policies on health care for instance, or anything else, and all his loud rhetoric on border security may have seriously impacted the number of people trying to sneak across the border, but not one brick has actually been laid for "the wall". But if Hillary was eager to trade 20% of America's uranium reserves for millions of dollars in foreign money what else would she have sold off to the highest bidder if she had been elected? I'm quite happy to take my chances with Trump the populist.
    Your post was fine until you posted the bodacious lie about Hillary. Where do you find such crap?

    Hillary Clinton Gave 20 Percent of United States' Uranium to Russia in Exchange for Clinton Foundation Donations?

    Fact-checking Donald Trump?s tweets about Hillary Clinton and Russia | PolitiFact

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    I showed facts. You showed articles that were proven false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Teddy Roosevelt was a populist, so the comparison to Trump is valid. The problem with populists, is that by definition they're advocating policies that are popular. But populists aren't necessarily motivated by any definable ideology, so voters can't be confident of how they'll actually govern. In Trump's case he got support because he was the loudest voice for border security and enforcement of immigration law. The average American working person understands quite well that illegal aliens are competing against them for jobs and driving down wages, so Trump's message resonated with them, especially when leaders from both major parties were soft on illegal immigration. But now we're all confronted with the reality that Trump isn't a persuasive promoter of any specific policies on health care for instance, or anything else, and all his loud rhetoric on border security may have seriously impacted the number of people trying to sneak across the border, but not one brick has actually been laid for "the wall". But if Hillary was eager to trade 20% of America's uranium reserves for millions of dollars in foreign money what else would she have sold off to the highest bidder if she had been elected? I'm quite happy to take my chances with Trump the populist.
    @Otto Throttle

    President Trump, there’s a very good reason Congress isn’t investigating Hillary Clinton’s “big uranium deal” with Russia.

    It’s because the story is absolute crap — as you well know.

    • No, Hillary Clinton didn’t “sell America’s uranium.” She didn’t own it, or control it, and never had. This entire accusation is a farce.

    In 2010 the stockholders of a Canadian mining company, Uranium One, accepted a bid from the Russian nuclear-energy agency, Rosatom, for a majority of their shares. They cashed out.

    Uranium One was a worldwide producer. Among its assets were some U.S. uranium mines.

    The decision was taken by pension-fund managers, other institutional investors and private investors from Canada, the U.S., Europe and elsewhere.

    The deal had previously been approved by company management and independent directors on the board.

    This is what’s known as “private property,” “commerce” and “capitalism.” Trump should read up on it.

    The burden of proof for a U.S. government official to intervene in a Canadian stock-market transaction would have to be pretty high.

    • No, Hillary didn’t “approve” the sale, either. She was just one of 14 — count ’em, 14 — people who sat on a U.S. government committee that might, in theory, have intervened but didn’t.

    The others on the committee included the secretaries of the Treasury, homeland security, energy and defense; the White House budget director; the attorney general; and the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers.

    So, as far as we know, none of them said peep.

    The committee could have intervened if it thought the deal threatened U.S. national security.

    Others who could also have intervened in the deal, but saw no reason to, included the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission and regulators in Canada and elsewhere.

    • There is a very good reason none of those people or organizations tried to halt the deal. It wasn’t controversial. And if it weren’t for Trump’s cynical demagoguery, it wouldn’t be now.

    America is a bit player in worldwide uranium production, and the amount involved was about half a percent — yes, really — of global supply.

    Furthermore, uranium has been a drag on the international markets for years. There’s too much of it around. Miners are giving it away for less than it costs to dig up. There was no reason to think of it as an especially precious resource.

    In 2010, when Russia agreed to this deal, the price of uranium had already fallen by 75% in three years. And since then it’s halved again. (But uranium prices have perked up a bit since Trump’s election. Long-suffering investors are hoping he’ll approve more nuclear reactors and buy lots more warheads. It’s another reason Vladimir Putin has reason to be so pleased with his protégé.)

    • Finally, it’s worth remembering that this entire “story” was whipped up like a meringue by Peter Schweizer, a far-right hack at Breitbart. And, like a meringue, it’s almost all air.
    Trump spreads more fake news on Hillary?s ?uranium deal? - MarketWatch
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I showed facts. You showed articles that were proven false.
    You're calling the New York Times article "proven false"? On which facts? The huge undisclosed donations from parties to the Uranium deal to the Clinton Foundation? Links...

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    Todays alt right Republicans despise Teddy Roosevelt and disown him as a Republican.
    It's been a 20 year lurch to the right.

    The mythical Ronald Reagan remains a hero to the party. The actual Ronald Reagan would be a RINO and couldn't even find enough support in the primaries to make it to the general.
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