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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I believe we need to figure out what has changed and revisit diet, training, and standards.
    You mean like what Michelle Obama was pushing to get kids to eat healthier in schools? I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I believe there are various standards based on age. But one has to admit the perception of seeing a fat soldier or a fat fireman is poor. People rely on them for their survival.
    You are correct. The Army's standards are height, weight, and age based. They have four categories for age. 17-20 years old, 21-27 years old, 28-39 years old, and 40+.

    At 51-years-old, 6'1", my maximum allowable weight would be 208. Now that does not mean someone that is over the weigh for his age and height is automatically labeled obese. If you miss the height and weight for your age group then they do a BMI test. At my age, I can have 26% BMI.

    U.S. Army Weight Requirements | Military.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    You mean like what Michelle Obama was pushing to get kids to eat healthier in schools? I agree.
    The problem is that what Michelle Obama pushed didn't get eaten. A good healthy diet only works if kids will eat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I believe that a fit military fighting force is essential to our military. The service needs to not lower the standards but rather to visit diet and training to figure out why this is going the wrong direction. Every soldier and officer in the US Army with the exception of the chaplain, is a combat infantryman first, then his or her MOS second. If a soldier cannot qualify with his or her assigned weapon, they can't be in the Army. If a soldier cannot meet physical training standards, they cannot be in the Army. If a soldier is obese, he or she needs to lose the weight or separate from the military.

    We don't allow people to serve who have asthma and can't run. We don't allow people to serve that cannot lift a rucksack. You can't start saying it's okay for the unit clerk to be obese. That unit clerk may very well be out on a patrol, do you want to have to carry them back?
    Yes, and ANY soldier might be asked to take up a rifle and defend a base or just be "activated" into combat.

    The job of a peacetime force is to be "ready."

    Even us Air Force pukes used to grab an M-16 and fight off locals harassing an air base in Vietnam.

    And it's just better for the service as a whole, you don't want an unfit service, you lower the standards in one area and who knows how far it could go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I believe that a fit military fighting force is essential to our military. The service needs to not lower the standards but rather to visit diet and training to figure out why this is going the wrong direction. Every soldier and officer in the US Army with the exception of the chaplain, is a combat infantryman first, then his or her MOS second. If a soldier cannot qualify with his or her assigned weapon, they can't be in the Army. If a soldier cannot meet physical training standards, they cannot be in the Army. If a soldier is obese, he or she needs to lose the weight or separate from the military.

    We don't allow people to serve who have asthma and can't run. We don't allow people to serve that cannot lift a rucksack. You can't start saying it's okay for the unit clerk to be obese. That unit clerk may very well be out on a patrol, do you want to have to carry them back?
    No there are plenty in the military that are not, and never will be, expected to be a combat infantryman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    Yes, and ANY soldier might be asked to take up a rifle and defend a base or just be "activated" into combat.

    The job of a peacetime force is to be "ready."

    Even us Air Force pukes used to grab an M-16 and fight off locals harassing an air base in Vietnam.

    And it's just better for the service as a whole, you don't want an unfit service, you lower the standards in one area and who knows how far it could go.

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    How about amputees returning from service that want to stay in the military. Do you think they will be called to combat service?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    No there are plenty in the military that are not, and never will be, expected to be a combat infantryman.
    They are always expected to be "ready" no matter what. Even a desk jockey. That's why they still train and meet expectations. If there ever was another WW, they would be sent out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The problem is that what Michelle Obama pushed didn't get eaten. A good healthy diet only works if kids will eat it.
    That's a pretty fucking stupid comment. A good healthy diet only works for soldiers if they eat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    No there are plenty in the military that are not, and never will be, expected to be a combat infantryman.
    No, just the opposite, ANYONE is expected to go into combat if the situation warrants it.

    The military didn't develop their rules on a whim or based on someone's opinion, almost everything they do is based on many years of first-hand experience, there is indeed a method to the madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    How about amputees returning from service that want to stay in the military. Do you think they will be called to combat service?
    Yes... if the situation warrants it, yes indeed!

    They are still in the military and are still required to follow orders and the rules.

    (In fact, just try and stop some of them!)

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