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    Then if they could figure out how to make med school more affordable....
    This would be a major problem switching over to single-payer, because many current doctors are having to pay off the huge students loans they had to take out. Sure, we could reduce the cost of medical school for future students, but that does not fix the problem for today's doctors.
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    This is how France does it. Everyone gets basic coverage and if you want more, you can purchase a supplement. We are seeing long lines and waiting anyway...the baby boomers are a giant population and we do not have enough primary care doctors to see them. It will get worse when we are Medicare age and visiting the doctor more often. You will also still need office staff. Medical codes are used for statistical tracking of disease/treatment and you still need to file claims for budgetary purposes.
    I've studied the issue extensively and the only way around that, is that the government has to spend the money to have the medical people in place. Most everything that the government does is half-baked and if you want good coverage for everyone, it has to make a concerted effort to appropriate enough money so that people will not die waiting for help.

    One more thing and I cannot stress this enough, we need to decriminalize drugs and offer anyone who wants to get off drugs, the treatment they need to save their lives. The money that we save by cutting the prison population, will bankroll the cost of this treatment. Once people actually start getting off drugs, there will be much less need of prison or "treatment centers."

    You can't just fix heathcare, you have to fix the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Several reasons for that. We have the "baby bust" generation going through now (born prior to 2000). Also the kids today no longer have boomers as parents but Gen Xer parents who many still have their own college loans not paid yet. Plus its too expensive. I know quite a few kids who aren't going anymore. Pay isn't that great unless you go into STEM.
    Pay being good in STEM? I didn't get the memo. The money is in business. CEOs make all the money. Pharmaceutical sales reps make more money than the scientist that discover and develop the drug. Scientists can make good money but usually only if they start a company that succeeds, become CEO, or after many years. THey start out making shit

    I guess Engineers can make decent money with just a bachelors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    This would be a major problem switching over to single-payer, because many current doctors are having to pay off the huge students loans they had to take out. Sure, we could reduce the cost of medical school for future students, but that does not fix the problem for today's doctors.
    Cut out more tax breaks for the rich and forgive student loans for middle class people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    One more thing and I cannot stress this enough, we need to decriminalize drugs and offer anyone who wants to get off drugs, the treatment they need to save their lives. The money that we save by cutting the prison population, will bankroll the cost of this treatment. Once people actually start getting off drugs, there will be much less need of prison or "treatment centers."
    I have been tending more and more to agree with this. Not so much treatment centers, as though will most likely still be needed.

    But decriminalization (and the subsequent commutation of sentences) will empty jails and prisons of a huge population of people, possibly putting private prisons out of business, and injecting lots of people back into the economy. We will then have a lot more unemployed people looking for jobs (with criminal records), and that will cause some more problems as well. I am not saying we should not do it, but we should be prepared to deal with the issues that will arise as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Cut out more tax breaks for the rich and forgive student loans for middle class people.
    I do not think that is going to solve the problem of existing debt, much of which will be private loans the government cannot forgive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    One more thing and I cannot stress this enough, we need to decriminalize drugs and offer anyone who wants to get off drugs, the treatment they need to save their lives. The money that we save by cutting the prison population, will bankroll the cost of this treatment. Once people actually start getting off drugs, there will be much less need of prison or "treatment centers."
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I do not think that is going to solve the problem of existing debt, much of which will be private loans the government cannot forgive.
    Republicans only worry about debt the Democrats incur.
    Their own wars and tax cuts are never a problem to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    Pay being good in STEM? I didn't get the memo. The money is in business. CEOs make all the money. Pharmaceutical sales reps make more money than the scientist that discover and develop the drug. Scientists can make good money but usually only if they start a company that succeeds, become CEO, or after many years. THey start out making shit

    I guess Engineers can make decent money with just a bachelors.
    Yea that's true, but I would think there wouldn't be pharma reps anymore with single payer. Or at least not great paying ones. Pharma could deal directly with the govt as they do in other countries. Its a big reason why costs are so high in pharma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Yea that's true, but I would think there wouldn't be pharma reps anymore with single payer. Or at least not great paying ones. Pharma could deal directly with the govt as they do in other countries. Its a big reason why costs are so high in pharma.
    Pharma would still have to market its drugs to physicians.

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