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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    That would be one sweet ticket to vote for in the next presidential election! (in that order of course)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    That would be one sweet ticket to vote for in the next presidential election! (in that order of course)
    Why?

    You don't even know any of their positions yet.

    Kasich, from the article, refuses to even call healthcare a "right".

    Don't you believe its a "right" for everyone to have it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I'd say Hickenlooper is an even MORE youthful 65. He looks almost ten years younger than that.
    I like the guy and have already posted elsewhere that he would be my pick as the next president. I would like to see both he and kasich win their respective party's nomination and then name each other as their running mates. Both run on their respective merits in the general election without slandering the other. How could it fail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    "Medicare for All."

    What could possibly go wrong.
    Easy, they could expect it to work without raising the revenue (taxes) to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Easy, they could expect it to work without raising the revenue (taxes) to pay for it.
    Their plan is to simply bail out insurers.

    If you don't raise taxes it just adds to the debt.

    Does that sound like a plan to you?

    If Obamacare had worked as promised we wouldn't have to bailout anyone.

    Face it, you were sold a bill of goods by Obama and it failed as we told you it would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So their plan, which is the only one that anyone on the left can come up with is to use taxpayer money to bail out insurers.

    They call it reinsurance.

    But its a bailout, basically state funded healthcare.
    So your first sentence says it will be taxpayer dollars that will fund it and your last says it will be "state" funded. Which is it?

    Why don't you guys just come out with single payer already, that's what you want.

    Everyone pays for everyone else, jack everyone's taxes up by 40% to pay for it.

    That is your only solution so just do it already.
    40%? Where do you come up with such a fucking stupid number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    So your first sentence says it will be taxpayer dollars that will fund it and your last says it will be "state" funded. Which is it?



    40%? Where do you come up with such a fucking stupid number?
    State refers to a national system.

    It doesn't just mean an actual state.

    I doubt if you've ever heard of a nation-state but that's what it refers to.

    Usually you need an education to know that term, I guess I assumed too much.

    The 40% number is simply an example.

    You tell us how much we need to raise taxes to pay for this Kasich plan or do you just want to add it to the debt without worrying about paying for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    State refers to a national system.

    It doesn't just mean an actual state.

    I doubt if you've ever heard of a nation-state but that's what it refers to.

    Usually you need an education to know that term, I guess I assumed too much.

    The 40% number is simply an example.

    You tell us how much we need to raise taxes to pay for this Kasich plan or do you just want to add it to the debt without worrying about paying for it.
    And Trump is funding the wall by cutting his own taxes, and you want us to think you give a fuck about the national debt or spending government money wisely? Tis to laugh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    And Trump is funding the wall by cutting his own taxes, and you want us to think you give a fuck about the national debt or spending government money wisely? Tis to laugh...
    You don't know how he funded the wall yet.

    If you know why don't you share it with the group.

    Or is this just you making shit up again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    The Premise is from an op-ed they jointly penned in May:

    We certainly agree that reforms need to be made to our nation’s health-care system. But as governors from opposite sides of the political aisle, we feel that true and lasting reforms are best approached by finding common ground in a bipartisan fashion.

    Along with other governors — Democrats and Republicans — we agree that the best place to start is to restore stability to our nation’s health insurance system.

    We and other like-minded governors have been working together to create a blueprint that can result in an improved health insurance system that is available and affordable for every American. We recognize that this is not an easy task. That is why our first step has been to develop a set of guiding principles that will positively impact the coverage and care of millions of Americans, including many dealing with mental illnesses, chronic health problems and drug addiction. These principles:

    ● Improve affordability: Insurance reforms that increase access to quality, affordable health insurance coverage must be coupled with reforms that address rising health-care costs. Insurance reforms should be made in a manner that is consistent with sound and sustainable cost-control practices.


    ● Restore stability to insurance markets: Americans without access to employer-sponsored coverage or government plans need to be able to choose from a healthy, stable and competitive market of insurers.

    ● Provide state flexibility and encourage innovation: As laboratories of democracy, states can develop innovative approaches with the potential to strengthen health insurance for all Americans. Within broad standards, states should have appropriate flexibility to implement reforms in a manner that is responsive to local and regional market conditions.

    ● Improve the regulatory environment: As the principal regulators of insurance, states are in the best position to promote competition within state insurance markets. Federal efforts should limit duplicative and burdensome regulations and provide relief to small-business owners and individuals.

    The Affordable Care Act expanded coverage, but it needs improvement. Uncertainty in our current health insurance market has helped make it unstable. As passed by the House, the American Health Care Act threatens to create greater uncertainty. Historically, one-party solutions are not sustainable. The bipartisan principles we propose provide a more stable starting point to bring Republicans and Democrats together on lasting reforms.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5887f1529664

    Seems what they are saying is a one-sided bill will never pass, well, that's true for the moment.

    I would think millenials would be up in arms about this, because the burden of health care costs for their aging parents fall on their shoulders, or

    They can just let them die.

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