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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Their plan is to simply bail out insurers.

    If you don't raise taxes it just adds to the debt.

    Does that sound like a plan to you?

    If Obamacare had worked as promised we wouldn't have to bailout anyone.

    Face it, you were sold a bill of goods by Obama and it failed as we told you it would.
    you don't know what you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    you don't know what you are talking about.
    Its their own words, did you even bother to read the article?

    "There are several important things but the probably top one on our list would be this notion of having some sort of reinsurance [using public money to help insure the sickest people], to make sure the high-cost pool is not causing higher rates for all the people seeking insurance on the private markets... You use reinsurance in almost every type of insurance program to cut off those 'hill tops' as we say."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Its their own words, did you even bother to read the article?

    "using public money to help insure the sickest people,"

    No. This is what governments are supposed to do. And it's what the ACA should have done in the first place. Separate the extreme cases and pre-existing conditions from the General Pool.


    Then the actual "principles of insurance" could have been utilized. The Hickenloop/Kasich proposal does have some promise if the hardline partisans in Congress will take a breath and loosen up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    "using public money to help insure the sickest people,"

    No. This is what governments are supposed to do. And it's what the ACA should have done in the first place. Separate the extreme cases and pre-existing conditions from the General Pool.


    Then the actual "principles of insurance" could have been utilized. The Hickenloop/Kasich proposal does have some promise if the hardline partisans in Congress will take a breath and loosen up.
    So you agree I was right.

    This is what they are proposing.

    Using taxpayer money to simply fund healthcare for people.

    So tell me, are they going to simply add it to the debt or raise your taxes to pay for it?

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    Both are 65. Kasich is a youthful 65.

    McAuliffe is 60. All 3 are in much better shape than Trump. Bernie,too.
    I don't see why 65 is such a limitation. Eighty years ago it was the average age of death, but today the average is 13-15 years later. We've recently elected people over sixty like Reagan, Trump, and the first George Bush.

    http://www.robinsonlibrary.com/ameri...ents/byage.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I don't see why 65 is such a limitation. Eighty years ago it was the average age of death, but today the average is 13-15 years later. We've recently elected people over sixty like Reagan, Trump, and the first George Bush.

    The Presidents By Age at Inauguration
    My point.a lot depends on how healthy you are. Trump is not healthy. The others are. Even Reagan was. Trumpis very overweight.

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    As to a run for the pair as an independent effort, or a joint R-D run, the Axios column discussing this brought up the worry that enough people of either party are so strongly of that party that they would vote against anyone who partnered with "the enemy". And I fear the situation currently is such that that is a legitimate worry.

    Maybe tRump has decreased that but I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    As to a run for the pair as an independent effort, or a joint R-D run, the Axios column discussing this brought up the worry that enough people of either party are so strongly of that party that they would vote against anyone who partnered with "the enemy". And I fear the situation currently is such that that is a legitimate worry.

    Maybe tRump has decreased that but I'm not sure.
    Pretty much.

    Would you vote for a guy knowing his replacement would do the exact opposite of what you voted for?

    You can already see this.

    One guy says healthcare is a right the other won't say that.

    This whole thing is just a gimmick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Pretty much.

    Would you vote for a guy knowing his replacement would do the exact opposite of what you voted for?

    You can already see this.

    One guy says healthcare is a right the other won't say that.

    This whole thing is just a gimmick.
    I disagree that it's a gimmick. And I disagree that the two are poles apart. In fact I think their positions have more similarities than differences.

    I'm hoping it is the start of compromise and united goals becomes a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    I disagree that it's a gimmick. And I disagree that the two are poles apart. In fact I think their positions have more similarities than differences.

    I'm hoping it is the start of compromise and united goals becomes a reality.
    Actually they don't really agree on anything.

    John Kasich on the Issues

    John Hickenlooper on the Issues

    And people think these guys are going to work together?

    Its a gimmick, they are polar opposites.

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