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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Hmmmm what is 940-143 again?

    Which number is larger?

    C'mon dude, this is basic math.
    You are shitting me, right? You cant read that paragraph and come up with that statement and have an IQ larger than your shoe size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    You are shitting me, right? You cant read that paragraph and come up with that statement and have an IQ larger than your shoe size.
    What's there to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    The ACA funded itself with taxes on billionaires, does that bother you? Read my sig.
    That's what Dems were claiming back in 2010, turns out that even with the hundreds of billions in new taxes, Obamacare is still adding hundreds of billions to the national debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    That's what Dems were claiming back in 2010, turns out that even with the hundreds of billions in new taxes, Obamacare is still adding hundreds of billions to the national debt.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/here...l-deficit.html

    Not according to my link.

    And since you never bother to provide a link for your assertions....
    Last edited by OldGaffer; 28th August 2017 at 12:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Private health care insurance, which only affects less than 10% of those who have health care coverage, is expensive because health care is expensive.

    These guys show how clueless they are by attacking the cost of private health care insurance, again which only affects 10%, instead of working on the actual problem, which is the cost of health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/here...l-deficit.html

    Not according to my link.

    And since you never bother to provide a link for your assertions....
    Your link:

    The biggest savings of repealing the ACA would come from eliminating the cost of subsidizing individual health insurance and the law's expansion of government-funded, state-run Medicaid insurance. Those costs have been offset somewhat by other provisions, including penalties paid by individuals and employers who don't sign up for insurance. Eliminating all of those provisions would produce net savings of about $1.5 trillion over 10 years, according the analysis.
    As you can see in figure 4 of the link Obamacare is adding $140 billion to the budget deficit and national debt this year.

    $1,400 billion added to the deficit and debt over the period covered.


    CBO
    UPDATED ESTIMATES OF THE EFFECTS OF THE INSURANCE COVERAGE PROVISIONS OF THE ACA
    APRIL 2014
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    agencies now project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014, $5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period, $104 billion less than the previous projection.
    The estimated net costs for 2014 stem almost entirely from spending for subsidies that are to be provided through insurance exchanges (often called marketplaces) and from an increase in spending for Medicaid (see Ta b l e 1). For the 2015–2024 period, the
    projected net costs consist of the following:

    Gross costs of $1,839 billion for subsidies and related spending for insurance obtained through the exchanges, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and tax credits for small employers; and A partial offset of $456 billion in receipts from penalty payments, additional revenues resulting from the excise tax on high-premium insurance plans, and the effects on income and payroll tax revenues and associated outlays arising from projected changes in employer coverage.

    https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...sonecolumn.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Private health care insurance, which only affects less than 10% of those who have health care coverage, is expensive because health care is expensive.

    These guys show how clueless they are by attacking the cost of private health care insurance, again which only affects 10%, instead of working on the actual problem, which is the cost of health care.
    Because cut rate health care is what everyone wants. Walmart could open a clinic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Your link:



    As you can see in figure 4 of the link Obamacare is adding $140 billion to the budget deficit and national debt this year.

    $1,400 billion added to the deficit and debt over the period covered.




    https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...sonecolumn.pdf
    And this is better?


    "Under the current bill, families making less than $10,000 would lose, on average, more than $2,500 in annual benefits under the bill, once it is fully phased in. Families making more than $1 million a year would get tax cuts averaging about $50,000, according to the analysis by two nonpartisan research groups, the Health Policy Center and the Tax Policy Center." Trumpcare!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    And this is better?


    "Under the current bill, families making less than $10,000 would lose, on average, more than $2,500 in annual benefits under the bill, once it is fully phased in. Families making more than $1 million a year would get tax cuts averaging about $50,000, according to the analysis by two nonpartisan research groups, the Health Policy Center and the Tax Policy Center." Trumpcare!!!
    Yes. Yes, Libertine thinks that is 'better'.

    He has a different 'value system' than normal human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Because cut rate health care is what everyone wants. Walmart could open a clinic.
    Walmart HAS a Clinic! so does Kroger and many other stores!

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