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    Ohio Issue 2

    Any thoughts on this?

    .To enact Chapter 194 of the Ohio Revised Code, which would:


    Doesn't sound so bad to me, but the commercials urging voters to reject it make it seem like it was written by Satan himself.

    What is Issue 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
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    Doesn't sound so bad to me, but the commercials urging voters to reject it make it seem like it was written by Satan himself.

    What is Issue 2?
    I think Congress should have to live by the same rules as everybody else. They should get no more benefits and Social Security and Medicare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
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    Doesn't sound so bad to me, but the commercials urging voters to reject it make it seem like it was written by Satan himself.

    What is Issue 2?
    We had the same issue here in California back in November. It failed. It was backed by Bernie Sanders. The prevailing argument said that it would hurt veterans because drug companies would respond by charging the VA more so that the base price would be higher. Others opposed it simply because it involved government interfering with a market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Sands View Post
    I think Congress should have to live by the same rules as everybody else. They should get no more benefits and Social Security and Medicare.

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    Shouldn't they get fringe benefits like most other skilled workers? Who but independently wealthy people would run?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Shouldn't they get fringe benefits like most other skilled workers? Who but independently wealthy people would run?
    The independently wealthy are the only ones that run already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Sands View Post
    The independently wealthy are the only ones that run already.

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    A quick Google search found that Oprah has 268 members of Congress are worth a million dollars or more. That is 11 people more than the last election. Unbelievable how we vote.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Sands View Post
    A quick Google search found that Oprah has 268 members of Congress are worth a million dollars or more. That is 11 people more than the last election. Unbelievable how we vote.


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    Didn't read my post before I posted it. There is no reference to Oprah. 268 members of Congress are millionaires. That's up 11 members from from the last election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Sands View Post
    The independently wealthy are the only ones that run already.

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    That's demonstrably untrue. It's certainly true that members of congress are much better off than the average American household, even this article about the incredible wealth in Congress shows that almost half of our national representatives AREN'T millionaires, and some even have negative net worth: One Member of Congress = 18 American Households: Lawmakers' Personal Finances Far From Average - OpenSecrets Blog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Sands View Post
    Didn't read my post before I posted it. There is no reference to Oprah. 268 members of Congress are millionaires. That's up 11 members from from the last election.

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    But it's a long way from everyone. Anyone we'd want to have as a member of Congress will have skills that will earn them a lot of money. Like any job, to attract decent people we have to compete in a marketplace for labor. Refusing to provide any fringe benefits at all--something that's part of the compensation packages of pretty much all high-skill workers--means 1) you'll attract less-skilled candidates, 2) attract only candidates who literally don't need any income even if they have to support two households, or 2) you'll encourage corruption to make up for the lost benefits.

    Federal workers get fringe benefits. So do teachers, fire fighters, police officers, etc. It's illogical to suggest that the people who determine their compensation should not get fringe benefits--that would also encourage them to end benefits for all those people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    But it's a long way from everyone. Anyone we'd want to have as a member of Congress will have skills that will earn them a lot of money. Like any job, to attract decent people we have to compete in a marketplace for labor. Refusing to provide any fringe benefits at all--something that's part of the compensation packages of pretty much all high-skill workers--means 1) you'll attract less-skilled candidates, 2) attract only candidates who literally don't need any income even if they have to support two households, or 2) you'll encourage corruption to make up for the lost benefits.

    Federal workers get fringe benefits. So do teachers, fire fighters, police officers, etc. It's illogical to suggest that the people who determine their compensation should not get fringe benefits--that would also encourage them to end benefits for all those people.
    Exactly. Many of the same people calling for fringe benefits to be denied for members of Congress are fine with and understand the concept when applied to CEOs. Some justify CEO pay by saying they need to attract the best and the brightest. But they can't apply that to elected officials. I don't understand it.

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