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Thread: Single-payer health care means you might be denied surgery for being too fat

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Lies. No one can be denied care, in fact that is one argument you idiots use to support UHC because of this directive and the costs it creates.
    I'm an "idiot," eh? Too funny....grow up. Yes, people are denied care in this country ALL THE FUCKING TIME!!! Don't sign up for your state's "Medicaid;" it's a crock -- your doctor will say that you need back surgery and....wait for it....Ta-Da!!! Your insurance provider will turn you down. YOU.GET.WHAT.YOU.PAY.FOR. Not what you need and YES, it is directly related to your plan and how much you pay.

    Run along now before I embarrass your ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Two If By Tea View Post
    Then maybe those fat people should loose some weight..

    Why should my taxpayer dollars subsidize some gluttonous pig who cant put down the ice cream carton or fast food
    Well, no matter what route we as a nation take -- YOU ALMIGHTY are GOING to pay for this guy one way or the other. Either a $60,000 emergency room visit (or 5 or 6) or maybe a cheaper way, like regular doctor visits and a prescription/treatment to help with whatever is making him fat (diabetes, heart disease, thyroid problem, etc). Once the guy no longer weighs 325 lbs, maybe he can earn more money and actually pay more into the system than he would otherwise be pulling out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    My brother was a 100 lbs over weight and last year was fortunate enough to receive a new heart.
    He was even more fortunate to recover, due to the increased risk his obesity caused.

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    The bashing of the NHS has been the standard modus operandi of conservatives with a certain agenda for as long as I have been a member here. The concept of UHC seems to be a real and present danger to what they consider a society should be. These people live in constant fear that someone, somewhere, is getting something to which (by their standards,) he is not entitled. It would seem that the very fabric of society will fall apart if some person, or even child, is fed when he hasn't worked hard enough (again by their standards,) to merit that food. So if these people can show that some other, ostensibly more compassionate, society is not an utopian paradise, it justifies their own ideal of a dystopian, mean-spirited, society in which the wealthy are lionised, and the undeserving poor are left to their devices. I don't know if this is the motivation of the OP, nor am I making that claim, but you, dear reader, may come to your own conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    When I first started with my PCP, she was new and building a practice. I could get same day appointments, now 9 years later, she is not accepting new patients and I have to wait to see her if I am sick. Currently, I am waiting for my insurance to approve a hysterectomy. It has been two years. I have several large uterine fibroids with cysts all over my ovaries and the insurance company will not approve the surgery because I am not experiencing dysfunctional uterine bleeding. I personally, do not like the thought of those things just lying there..but very little I can do it about it. The insurance company would rather see a hemoglobin below 8 where I have to use a wheelchair to navigate through the building because of low blood volume. When I fractured my ankle on a Saturday night, a surgeon was called in and performed my surgery on a Sunday morning. The insurance companies determine immediate need, no different than any other health care model. Oh...you are correct, our oldies can be quite feisty and abusive...they can throw the biggest fits ever.
    Your doctor determined you need a hysterectomy and your insurance company is refusing to pay for it??

    That is pretty stunning. What is the name of your insurance provider??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Health care rationing is unavoidable under any system. It's always been rationed in the United States.

    Nowhere that i have ever lived....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    My Mom first became sick with chronic kidney disease at 80 which progressed rapidly the last 5 years of her life. She died during therapeutic dialysis from heart failure. During this 5 year period, in and out of ICU, Medicare never denied her anything, even when there was no hope. Medicare could have easily denied her the therapeutic dialysis as her final expenses were way beyond six figures and placed her in hospice. Medicare allowed her to fight for her life. Therapeutic dialysis is continuous dialysis over a period of days under heaving observation in a ICU environment. She had a staff with her the entire 4 days she received dialysis. I have never seen a patient required to get a second opinion for anything before treatment was approved. I have worked with Medicare patients for 20 years. Thousands of them. I am not disputing this happens, but it would be rare.
    Same experience i have had with Medicare. All good. Often times Medicare formulas didn't cover the total expenses so secondary/supplemental insurance had to kick in. But neither of my parents were ever denied anything that i recall.

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    I lived in France. We had a wonderful experience with their health care system. I remember one time we needed a house visit. I spoke very little French but called the local hospital. They endured my bad French and sent out a doctor. He arrived dressed casually, checked my wife out pleasantly, gave her a prescription and left. We owed him nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Nowhere that i have ever lived....
    It's rationed according to ability to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Your doctor determined you need a hysterectomy and your insurance company is refusing to pay for it??

    That is pretty stunning. What is the name of your insurance provider??
    I am not really sure I am at the point for a full hysterectomy just yet and really do not have the time to deal with the recovery. It really doesn't bother me physically such as pain and bleeding, just mentally that they are there. I don't want to lose the ovaries just yet...it turns you into a old woman overnight. I have Blue Cross Blue Shield PPO. If I had pain, I would be howling my head off at the insurance company, trust me. LOL Most insurance companies want documented symptoms such as low blood volume, cancer risk and pain to approve a hysterectomy

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